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Old 09-06-2012, 03:52 AM
"Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto"
 
Default News item 1: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

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Hi.

Following the July 24th thread about changing the default location of
make.conf and make.profile in the new stages, I propose to commit 2
news items in 2 or 3 days.
The first one (this one) is directed to all users and informs about
the change and what to do. The second one (next email) will be
directed to catalyst users.
This news item should be presented to as many users as possible.
Following Fabian's request in the previous thread, I'm trying to
restrict it to default/linux profiles only. I don't know if it's
possible to filter with default/linux/*, if there are other
alternatives or if we will have to list *all* relevant profiles (the
latter case is not appealing).

Does anyone have any comments about this news item?



Title: make.conf and make.profile move to /etc/portage
Author: Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto <jmbsvicetto@gentoo.org>
Content-Type: text/plain
Posted: 2012-09-08
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 1.0
Display-If-Installed: sys-apps/portage
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/*

Starting next week, new stages will have make.conf and make.profile
moved from /etc to /etc/portage. This is a change in the installation
defaults, that will only affect new installs so it doesn't affect
current systems.

Current users don't need to do anything. But if you want to follow the
gfepreferred location, you may want to take the chance to move the files
in your system(s) to the new location.


- --
Regards,

Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org
Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections / RelEng
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Old 09-06-2012, 05:30 AM
Ulrich Mueller
 
Default News item 1: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

>>>>> On Thu, 06 Sep 2012, Jorge Manuel B S Vicetto wrote:

> Title: make.conf and make.profile move to /etc/portage
00000000011111111112222222222333333333344444444
12345678091234567890123456789012345678901234567

Too long, maximum 44 characters are allowed.

> Display-If-Profile: default/linux/*

Unfortunately, wildcards won't work.

> gfepreferred location, you may want to take the chance to move the files
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Typo.

Ulrich
 
Old 09-06-2012, 06:36 AM
Duncan
 
Default News item 1: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

Ulrich Mueller posted on Thu, 06 Sep 2012 07:30:46 +0200 as excerpted:

>>>>>> On Thu, 06 Sep 2012, Jorge Manuel B S Vicetto wrote:
>
>> Title: make.conf and make.profile move to /etc/portage
> 00000000011111111112222222222333333333344444444
> 12345678091234567890123456789012345678901234567
>
> Too long, maximum 44 characters are allowed.

Suggestion: just omit "to /etc/portage", leaving only

Title: make.conf and make.profile move
0000000001111111111222222222233
1234567809123456789012345678901

The shortened title is enough to say what it's about and the body is IMO
just about perfect in terms of info/brevity; in fact, perhaps the best
I've seen, especially for a first draft, so good job!

Now to hash out the profile problem...

--
Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman
 
Old 09-08-2012, 06:05 PM
"Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto"
 
Default News item 1: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

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Here is the second draft for this news item.


On 06-09-2012 03:52, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Following the July 24th thread about changing the default location
> of make.conf and make.profile in the new stages, I propose to
> commit 2 news items in 2 or 3 days. The first one (this one) is
> directed to all users and informs about the change and what to do.
> The second one (next email) will be directed to catalyst users.
> This news item should be presented to as many users as possible.
> Following Fabian's request in the previous thread, I'm trying to
> restrict it to default/linux profiles only. I don't know if it's
> possible to filter with default/linux/*, if there are other
> alternatives or if we will have to list *all* relevant profiles
> (the latter case is not appealing).
>
> Does anyone have any comments about this news item?


Title: make.conf and make.profile move
Author: Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto <jmbsvicetto@gentoo.org>
Content-Type: text/plain
Posted: 2012-09-08
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 1.0
Display-If-Installed: sys-apps/portage
Display-If-Keyword: alpha
Display-If-Keyword: amd64
Display-If-Keyword: arm
Display-If-Keyword: hppa
Display-If-Keyword: ia64
Display-If-Keyword: m68k
Display-If-Keyword: mips
Display-If-Keyword: ppc
Display-If-Keyword: ppc64
Display-If-Keyword: s390
Display-If-Keyword: sh
Display-If-Keyword: sparc
Display-If-Keyword: x86

Starting next week, new stages will have make.conf and make.profile
moved from /etc to /etc/portage. This is a change in the installation
defaults, that will only affect new installs so it doesn't affect
current systems.

Current users don't need to do anything. But if you want to follow the
preferred location, you may want to take the chance to move the files
in your system(s) to the new location.


- --
Regards,

Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org
Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections / RelEng
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Old 09-08-2012, 06:56 PM
Duncan
 
Default News item 1: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto posted on Sat, 08 Sep 2012 18:05:07 +0000 as
excerpted:

> Starting next week, new stages will have make.conf and make.profile
> moved from /etc to /etc/portage. This is a change in the installation
> defaults, that will only affect new installs so it doesn't affect
> current systems.
>
> Current users don't need to do anything. But if you want to follow the
> preferred location, you may want to take the chance to move the files in
> your system(s) to the new location.

While the following reads somewhat smoother to me, maybe it's /just/ me,
so another opinion would be appreciated. The current wording is already
clear, so just going with it is fine with me.


Starting next week, new stages will locate make.conf and make.profile in
/etc/portage instead of /etc. This change to the installation defaults
only affects new systems and both locations will continue to be
supported. Whether you wish to move the files to their new /etc/portage
location is therefore entirely up to you.

--
Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman
 
Old 09-09-2012, 06:56 PM
"Aaron W. Swenson"
 
Default News item 1: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

On 9/8/2012 2:05 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
> Here is the second draft for this news item.
> ...
> Starting next week, new stages will have make.conf and make.profile
> moved from /etc to /etc/portage. This is a change in the installation
> defaults, that will only affect new installs so it doesn't affect
> current systems.

I'd be specific on the date as I could read that news item after this
actually happens but be under the impression that it hasn't happened yet.

- Aaron
 
Old 09-09-2012, 08:13 PM
"Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto"
 
Default News item 1: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

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This news item was committed.

On 06-09-2012 03:52, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Following the July 24th thread about changing the default location
> of make.conf and make.profile in the new stages, I propose to
> commit 2 news items in 2 or 3 days. The first one (this one) is
> directed to all users and informs about the change and what to do.
> The second one (next email) will be directed to catalyst users.
> This news item should be presented to as many users as possible.
> Following Fabian's request in the previous thread, I'm trying to
> restrict it to default/linux profiles only. I don't know if it's
> possible to filter with default/linux/*, if there are other
> alternatives or if we will have to list *all* relevant profiles
> (the latter case is not appealing).
>
> Does anyone have any comments about this news item?
>
>
>
> Title: make.conf and make.profile move to /etc/portage Author:
> Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto <jmbsvicetto@gentoo.org> Content-Type:
> text/plain Posted: 2012-09-08 Revision: 1 News-Item-Format: 1.0
> Display-If-Installed: sys-apps/portage Display-If-Profile:
> default/linux/*
>
> Starting next week, new stages will have make.conf and
> make.profile moved from /etc to /etc/portage. This is a change in
> the installation defaults, that will only affect new installs so it
> doesn't affect current systems.
>
> Current users don't need to do anything. But if you want to follow
> the gfepreferred location, you may want to take the chance to move
> the files in your system(s) to the new location.
>
>
>

- --
Regards,

Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org
Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections / RelEng
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Old 09-09-2012, 09:42 PM
Doug Goldstein
 
Default News item 1: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
<jmbsvicetto@gentoo.org> wrote:
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> This news item was committed.
>

So the news item was a bit ambiguous on if I wanted to make the change
myself to the new locations when I could actually make the change.
Current portage supports it? Or is their a new version coming which I
would need?

--
Doug Goldstein
 
Old 09-09-2012, 09:57 PM
Zac Medico
 
Default News item 1: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

On 09/09/2012 02:42 PM, Doug Goldstein wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
> <jmbsvicetto@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>>
>> This news item was committed.
>>
>
> So the news item was a bit ambiguous on if I wanted to make the change
> myself to the new locations when I could actually make the change.
> Current portage supports it? Or is their a new version coming which I
> would need?

It's been supported in stable portage since portage-2.1.9.24 stabilized
in November/December 2010:

https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346819
http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/portage.git;a=commit;h=d493a029add855e6ade95d60b57 ec7b8f5aba067
http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/portage.git;a=commit;h=f15c724e6ea494c21e57289b036 1614b6656ac35
--
Thanks,
Zac
 
Old 09-10-2012, 12:59 AM
Duncan
 
Default News item 1: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

Zac Medico posted on Sun, 09 Sep 2012 14:57:30 -0700 as excerpted:

> On 09/09/2012 02:42 PM, Doug Goldstein wrote:
>> On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
>> <jmbsvicetto@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> This news item was committed.
>>>
>>>
>> So the news item was a bit ambiguous on if I wanted to make the change
>> myself to the new locations when I could actually make the change.
>> Current portage supports it? Or is their a new version coming which I
>> would need?
>
> It's been supported in stable portage since portage-2.1.9.24 stabilized
> in November/December 2010:

Zac,

To your knowlege (IOW have you tested) having /etc/make.conf either a
symlink to /etc/portage/make.conf or a simple one-line
"source /etc/portage/make.conf"?

Back when I first became aware of the movement toward
/etc/portage/make.conf, I'd guess in late 2010 or early 2011 given your
dates, I tried both setting only /etc/portage/make.conf, which failed due
to some third party utility (which I'd hope has been fixed now but I've
not tested it), and making /etc/make.conf a simple symlink/source, which
caused portage some indigestion.

So I'm wondering if the latter problem's now (tested) fixed, and people
can use the new location but still put either a compatibility symlink or
source at the old location to keep old scripts and the like working,
without portage suffering the indigestion at the prospect that it did at
least way back then.

If you haven't tested it and want me to, then file a bug if necessary,
just say so, but it'd be nice to know whether you believe it to be
working now, before I go try it again.

--
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"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman
 

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