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Rich Freeman 07-24-2012 01:33 AM

news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)
 
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
<jmbsvicetto@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> I propose to commit this news item in 2 or 3 days. Does anyone have
> any comments about it?

What action if any do you want Gentoo users to take. If I read that
news item the first question I'd have is where SHOULD I keep those
files? Should I leave them alone? Should I move them? Will anything
bad happen either way?

If the answer is that we're changing the defaults but plan to support
the old way for a very long time, then spell that out. Otherwise
you'll get a million people asking about it.

Rich

Brian Dolbec 07-24-2012 01:40 AM

news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)
 
On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 20:28 -0400, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote:

> A lot of things, app-portage/ufed for example, don't support this yet...
>

ufed is on the endanged species list, along with a few other app-portage
utilities. It hasn't been developed or maintained for some time now. If
it is to survive, It'll need someone to step up and update it.
--
Brian Dolbec <dolsen@gentoo.org>

"Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" 07-24-2012 01:58 AM

news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)
 
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On 24-07-2012 01:33, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
> <jmbsvicetto@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>
>> I propose to commit this news item in 2 or 3 days. Does anyone
>> have any comments about it?
>
> What action if any do you want Gentoo users to take. If I read
> that news item the first question I'd have is where SHOULD I keep
> those files? Should I leave them alone? Should I move them? Will
> anything bad happen either way?
>
> If the answer is that we're changing the defaults but plan to
> support the old way for a very long time, then spell that out.
> Otherwise you'll get a million people asking about it.

This is just a heads-up for Gentoo users that got used to find
make.conf and make.profile under /etc in stages, that these files will
stop being there and will instead be under /etc/portage. So we are
changing the defaults.
About supporting the old way, that is beyond Releng and up to Portage
and maintainers of portage tools. I was told at least Portage has no
plan to drop support for /etc in the foreseeable future.

> Rich

- --
Regards,

Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org
Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections / RelEng


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Rich Freeman 07-24-2012 02:10 AM

news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)
 
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
<jmbsvicetto@gentoo.org> wrote:
> This is just a heads-up for Gentoo users that got used to find
> make.conf and make.profile under /etc in stages, that these files will
> stop being there and will instead be under /etc/portage. So we are
> changing the defaults.

I'd spell that out then - just say that no action is required for
existing installations, but be aware of the new location on new
installs, or feel free to move them if you want.

Rich

"Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek)" 07-24-2012 02:22 AM

news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)
 
On Jul 23, 2012 9:43 PM, "Brian Dolbec" <dolsen@gentoo.org> wrote:

>

> On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 20:28 -0400, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote:

>

> > A lot of things, app-portage/ufed for example, don't support this yet...

> >

>

> ufed is on the endanged species list, along with a few other app-portage

> utilities. It hasn't been developed or maintained for some time now. *If

> it is to survive, It'll need someone to step up and update it.


I don't see a bug for this change for ufed.


I can take care of this change in ufed.


> --

> Brian Dolbec <dolsen@gentoo.org>

Brian Dolbec 07-24-2012 03:19 AM

news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)
 
On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 22:22 -0400, Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek) wrote:
>
> On Jul 23, 2012 9:43 PM, "Brian Dolbec" <dolsen@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 20:28 -0400, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote:
> >
> > > A lot of things, app-portage/ufed for example, don't support this
> yet...
> > >
> >
> > ufed is on the endanged species list, along with a few other
> app-portage
> > utilities. It hasn't been developed or maintained for some time
> now. If
> > it is to survive, It'll need someone to step up and update it.
>
> I don't see a bug for this change for ufed.
>
> I can take care of this change in ufed.
>
> > --
> > Brian Dolbec <dolsen@gentoo.org>
>
>

Thank you. Also I believe it does not support /etc/portage/package.use
as well.

Contact Fuzzyray about any change in ufed's status. He recently started
a thread in the gentoo-portage-dev list to review the status of packages
we maintain. Ufed being one without a maintainer/developer.

--
Brian Dolbec <dolsen@gentoo.org>

Ben de Groot 07-24-2012 03:34 AM

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On 24 July 2012 08:07, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
<jmbsvicetto@gentoo.org> wrote:
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> Hi.
>
> I propose to commit this news item in 2 or 3 days. Does anyone have
> any comments about it?
> The idea is to show this news item on all Gentoo systems. Is that even
> possible / desirable?
> I've talked with both the PR and Docs team before about this change.
> I'll try to help the docs team updating the handbook.
>
>
> Title: Changes on new stages
> Author: Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto <jmbsvicetto@gentoo.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain
> Posted: 2012-07-27
> Revision: 1
> News-Item-Format: 1.0
>
> Starting with catalyst 2.0.10, make.conf and make.profile will be
> moved from /etc to /etc/postfix. Releng build boxes will be updated to
> this catalyst version during the next few days. So I expect stages
> built after July 30th to have make.conf and make.profile on /etc/portage.

I'm assuming this is true for make.globals as well? That should be added
then. And as others have said, there really need to be instructions
what if anything should be done about current installations.

--
Cheers,

Ben | yngwin
Gentoo developer
Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin

Diego Elio Pettenò 07-24-2012 03:38 AM

news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)
 
Il 23/07/2012 20:34, Ben de Groot ha scritto:
> I'm assuming this is true for make.globals as well? That should be added
> then. And as others have said, there really need to be instructions
> what if anything should be done about current installations.

I actually thought make.globals was going to be installed in
/usr/share/portage nowadays?

--
Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
flameeyes@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Fabian Groffen 07-24-2012 06:54 AM

news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)
 
On 23-07-2012 22:10:08 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
> <jmbsvicetto@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > This is just a heads-up for Gentoo users that got used to find
> > make.conf and make.profile under /etc in stages, that these files will
> > stop being there and will instead be under /etc/portage. So we are
> > changing the defaults.
>
> I'd spell that out then - just say that no action is required for
> existing installations, but be aware of the new location on new
> installs, or feel free to move them if you want.

I still don't see why you'd bother all existing users with that info.
Just blog, or (better) write a nice email to -announce, and update the
install docs.

Also, can you exclude all Prefix profiles for this news item if you
insist on pushing it out?

Fabian

--
Fabian Groffen
Gentoo on a different level

Sven Vermeulen 07-24-2012 08:48 AM

news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)
 
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:07:59AM +0000, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
> I've talked with both the PR and Docs team before about this change.
> I'll try to help the docs team updating the handbook.

Speaking of which, will this also start the use of the SHA512 & WHIRLPOOL
checksums? We've had a bug open for it for a while (bug #386475) but the
digests still don't show this. If it is simultaneously, we'll need to fix
that as well.

Can current users also already use the /etc/portage location? If so, I can
already update the docs now (since I'll need to describe both of the
locations for a while anyhow).

Wkr,
Sven Vermeulen


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