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On 24/07/12 08:55 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:42:31AM +0200, Ralph Sennhauser wrote
>
>> man 5 portage about files in /etc/portage
>>
>> make.conf The global custom settings for Portage. See
>> make.conf(5). If present, this file will over??? ride settings
>> from /etc/make.conf.
>>
>>
>>> 3. This news item is really useful, since the change has a
>>> potential to break automated builds.
>>
>> We aren't discussing dropping support for the old locations here
>> but about makeing the new location the default.
>
> This has the potential to cause problems for people who do things
> "the old way", and find that their settings in /etc/make.conf are
> not being applied. Instead of a news item, maybe we should be
> looking at warnings and/or errors in "emerge"...
>
> 1) If there is a /etc/make.conf, but no /etc/portage/make.conf,
> emerge should generate an ewarn message. Is emerge smart enough to
> generate only one ewarn even though it's emerging umpteen
> packages?

I'm not sure that this one is particularly necessary, as the default
location is not changing according to the package managers. It's only
changing according to the stage files that ppl use to install.

Once the package managers roll out -expecting- that make.conf should
be in /etc/portage/make.conf rather than /etc/make.conf, then yes this
should absolutely occur. Right now (and reportedly for the forseeable
future) that is not the case.


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On 25-07-2012 13:29, Michael Mol wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Aaron W. Swenson
> <titanofold@gentoo.org> wrote:
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>> On 07/24/2012 04:19 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
>>> Another user opinion...it would be a significant improvement to
>>> the stage images and live discs to include the latest copy of
>>> the handbook, so that a network connection isn't required to
>>> access it. But that's probably a subject for a different
>>> thread. And I think that's at least three topics, now, this
>>> thread has touched on.
>>>
>>
>> The handbook has always been included. There may be a discrepancy
>> between the online version and the version included with the
>> disc, but that's because the online version is always current
>> where the stages can be a week or so behind.
>
> I've never spotted it. Good to know.

AFAIK, the install-cd never provided the handbook. It used to be
manually added to the live-cd.
About adding it to the minimal-cd, we don't want to add manual steps
to the automated weekly builds for an installation process that
already requires network access - the GRP CD stopped being built a
long time ago.

- --
Regards,

Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org
Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections / RelEng


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On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
<jmbsvicetto@gentoo.org> wrote:
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> On 25-07-2012 13:29, Michael Mol wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Aaron W. Swenson
>> <titanofold@gentoo.org> wrote:
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>>> On 07/24/2012 04:19 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
>>>> Another user opinion...it would be a significant improvement to
>>>> the stage images and live discs to include the latest copy of
>>>> the handbook, so that a network connection isn't required to
>>>> access it. But that's probably a subject for a different
>>>> thread. And I think that's at least three topics, now, this
>>>> thread has touched on.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The handbook has always been included. There may be a discrepancy
>>> between the online version and the version included with the
>>> disc, but that's because the online version is always current
>>> where the stages can be a week or so behind.
>>
>> I've never spotted it. Good to know.
>
> AFAIK, the install-cd never provided the handbook. It used to be
> manually added to the live-cd.
> About adding it to the minimal-cd, we don't want to add manual steps
> to the automated weekly builds for an installation process that
> already requires network access - the GRP CD stopped being built a
> long time ago.

Any objection to the handbook (or even gentoo docs as a whole) being
in portage? 'emerge --searchdesc' doesn't turn it up, and I don't see
it under app-doc/, so I don't think it's there.

The problem I've tended to face is that on any install I do on new
hardware, it's hit or miss whether or not the network will work after
I reboot and work entirely within my installed environment. This is
largely because I don't know which kernel options I need to leave
enabled. That window inevitably requires me to have a separate machine
with network access in order to walk any deeper through the handbook.

--
:wq

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On 07/25/2012 10:27 AM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
> On 25-07-2012 13:29, Michael Mol wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Aaron W. Swenson
>> <titanofold@gentoo.org> wrote:
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>>> On 07/24/2012 04:19 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
>>>> Another user opinion...it would be a significant improvement
>>>> to the stage images and live discs to include the latest copy
>>>> of the handbook, so that a network connection isn't required
>>>> to access it. But that's probably a subject for a different
>>>> thread. And I think that's at least three topics, now, this
>>>> thread has touched on.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The handbook has always been included. There may be a
>>> discrepancy between the online version and the version included
>>> with the disc, but that's because the online version is always
>>> current where the stages can be a week or so behind.
>
>> I've never spotted it. Good to know.
>
> AFAIK, the install-cd never provided the handbook. It used to be
> manually added to the live-cd. About adding it to the minimal-cd,
> we don't want to add manual steps to the automated weekly builds
> for an installation process that already requires network access -
> the GRP CD stopped being built a long time ago.
>
>

Hm, I thought it was. I always use the online version now, but
remember using the one on the disc.

I'm sure we could automate the inclusion of the Handbook as well.

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Mr. Aaron W. Swenson
Gentoo Linux Developer
Email : titanofold@gentoo.org
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