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Old 05-17-2012, 09:44 PM
Zac Medico
 
Default news item: Portage's config-protect-if-modified feature is enabled by default

I'd like to commit this news item on 2012-05-21. See previous discussion
here:

http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_7fe557809defad4faca2ee5c6e52d134.xml
--
Thanks,
Zac
Title: Portage's config-protect-if-modified feature is enabled by default
Author: Zac Medico <zmedico@gentoo.org>
Content-Type: text/plain
Posted: 2012-05-21
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 1.0
Display-If-Installed: >=sys-apps/portage-2.1.10.61

Beginning with sys-apps/portage-2.1.10.61, FEATURES=config-protect-if-modified
is enabled by default. This causes the CONFIG_PROTECT behavior to be skipped
for files that have not been modified since they were installed.

If you would like to disable this behavior by default, then set
FEATURES="-config-protect-if-modified" in make.conf. See the make.conf(5) man
page for more information about this feature.
 
Old 05-17-2012, 10:32 PM
Ulrich Mueller
 
Default news item: Portage's config-protect-if-modified feature is enabled by default

>>>>> On Thu, 17 May 2012, Zac Medico wrote:

> Title: Portage's config-protect-if-modified feature is enabled by default

The title must not be longer than 44 characters, see GLEP 42.
(And eselect news relies on this, so it may truncate longer titles.)

Ulrich
 
Old 05-17-2012, 10:43 PM
Zac Medico
 
Default news item: Portage's config-protect-if-modified feature is enabled by default

On 05/17/2012 03:32 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 17 May 2012, Zac Medico wrote:
>
>> Title: Portage's config-protect-if-modified feature is enabled by default
>
> The title must not be longer than 44 characters, see GLEP 42.
> (And eselect news relies on this, so it may truncate longer titles.)
>
> Ulrich
>

Okay, the attached version has a shorter title.

--
Thanks,
Zac
Title: Portage config-protect-if-modified default
Author: Zac Medico <zmedico@gentoo.org>
Content-Type: text/plain
Posted: 2012-05-21
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 1.0
Display-If-Installed: >=sys-apps/portage-2.1.10.61

Beginning with sys-apps/portage-2.1.10.61, FEATURES=config-protect-if-modified
is enabled by default. This causes the CONFIG_PROTECT behavior to be skipped
for files that have not been modified since they were installed.

If you would like to disable this behavior by default, then set
FEATURES="-config-protect-if-modified" in make.conf. See the make.conf(5) man
page for more information about this feature.
 
Old 05-18-2012, 03:56 AM
Michał Górny
 
Default news item: Portage's config-protect-if-modified feature is enabled by default

On Thu, 17 May 2012 14:44:42 -0700
Zac Medico <zmedico@gentoo.org> wrote:

> I'd like to commit this news item on 2012-05-21. See previous
> discussion here:
>
> http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_7fe557809defad4faca2ee5c6e52d134.xml

Hmm, I think your should elaborate more on what the effects will be to
the final user.

--
Best regards,
Michał Górny
 
Old 05-18-2012, 04:23 AM
Jeff Horelick
 
Default news item: Portage's config-protect-if-modified feature is enabled by default

On 17 May 2012 23:56, Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 May 2012 14:44:42 -0700
> Zac Medico <zmedico@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
>> I'd like to commit this news item on 2012-05-21. See previous
>> discussion here:
>>
>> http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_7fe557809defad4faca2ee5c6e52d134.xml
>
> Hmm, I think your should elaborate more on what the effects will be to
> the final user.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Michał Górny

I'm not sure there's a great need. Users are generally pretty smart.
They just don't like change. :P
 
Old 05-18-2012, 06:08 AM
Zac Medico
 
Default news item: Portage's config-protect-if-modified feature is enabled by default

On 05/17/2012 08:56 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Thu, 17 May 2012 14:44:42 -0700
> Zac Medico <zmedico@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
>> I'd like to commit this news item on 2012-05-21. See previous
>> discussion here:
>>
>> http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_7fe557809defad4faca2ee5c6e52d134.xml
>
> Hmm, I think your should elaborate more on what the effects will be to
> the final user.

I think they should be competent enough to understand the effects. If
you want to provide a patch to the news item then, adding whatever
elaboration you think is necessary, then I'll gladly apply it.
--
Thanks,
Zac
 
Old 05-18-2012, 10:09 AM
Duncan
 
Default news item: Portage's config-protect-if-modified feature is enabled by default

Zac Medico posted on Thu, 17 May 2012 23:08:51 -0700 as excerpted:

> On 05/17/2012 08:56 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 14:44:42 -0700 Zac Medico <zmedico@gentoo.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to commit this news item on 2012-05-21. See previous
>>> discussion here:
>>>
>>> http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/
msg_7fe557809defad4faca2ee5c6e52d134.xml
>>
>> Hmm, I think your should elaborate more on what the effects will be to
>> the final user.
>
> I think they should be competent enough to understand the effects. If
> you want to provide a patch to the news item then, adding whatever
> elaboration you think is necessary, then I'll gladly apply it.

Indeed, the news item already refers people to the manpage for more
information.

While a good gentooer certainly appreciates good documentation, it's not
about handholding, and from my point of view the manpage documentation
really is pretty good. If they don't know what to do with a referral to
a manpage (or from the direct lookup in that manpage to the general
config-protect info in the same manpage, and from there to the config
files section of the emerge manpage where there's several paragraphs of
coverage), I'd say "ubuntu's over that-a-way, and mint's over there!"

New items should be brief and to the point, serving more as a road sign
with only an arrow letting people know there's a change in direction
ahead with an expectation that the driver seeing it can follow the arrow
and look at what's coming once so alerted, than a complete reference work
of their own. Really, as a user, that's what I want and need, that road-
sign telling me what direction the road is turning, not a full
description of all the engineering data contained in the road-building
documents, that I couldn't read at road speed anyway.

And that's what this is, as it is. =:^)

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"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman
 

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