On Sun, 6 May 2012 07:33:59 -0400
Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Some other questionable ones:
> emboss - Adds support for the European Molecular Biology Open

We've had this discussion before... The question is not "are people
likely to want emboss?". The question is "of people who use packages
that have an emboss use flag, are those people likely to want emboss?".

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Ciaran McCreesh

On Sun, May 06, 2012 at 07:33:59AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote

> The bottom line is that we don't need 47 different profile targets -
> there will always be a "use" for 1 more. That's why we all run Gentoo
> - we aren't bound by the decisions made for us by the package
> maintainers.

There's a "server" profile which could be the answer. I tried using
it for a while. Unfortunately, it results in an ewarn log message in
/var/log/portage/elog for *EVERY LAST SINGLE BUILD*. I then changed
over to starting my USE flag with "-*". If that message could be gotten
rid of, so as not to pollute /var/log/portage/elog, it could be useful
as a server_or_lightweight_desktop profile.

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Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>

On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:
> *There's a "server" profile which could be the answer.

I've never seen that as being a terribly useful profile. Servers tend
to be very minimal configurations. Maybe if we ever ripped sshd out
of the default profile we might put it there, but beyond that what
would you run on EVERY server? If I were to build a server I'd just
stick with the default profile, and then add to it.

Rich

On 05/08/2012 02:01 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:
>> There's a "server" profile which could be the answer.
>
> I've never seen that as being a terribly useful profile. Servers tend
> to be very minimal configurations. Maybe if we ever ripped sshd out
> of the default profile we might put it there, but beyond that what
> would you run on EVERY server? If I were to build a server I'd just
> stick with the default profile, and then add to it.

Hi,
read what Walter written till the very end
Problem is not what to *add* to the default profile, but rather that you
have to *remove* tons of flags from it to have something compact.
As he already mentioned usually USE="-*" is the way to start.

There were plans once among the cluster herd's members to write
minimalistic profile for hpc server/node and ha cluster that would
inherit from a "barebone" server profile. We just never got to it as
demand wasn't that high. Maybe it's time to revisit the problem.

Cheers,
Kacper

On Sun, 6 May 2012 15:25:02 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 6 May 2012 07:33:59 -0400
> Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > Some other questionable ones:
> > emboss - Adds support for the European Molecular Biology Open
>
> We've had this discussion before... The question is not "are people
> likely to want emboss?". The question is "of people who use packages
> that have an emboss use flag, are those people likely to want emboss?".

The question is "why aren't those packages using IUSE="+emboss" instead of
cluttering up the profiles with obscure USE flags?".


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On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 3:59 AM, Ryan Hill <dirtyepic@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 6 May 2012 15:25:02 +0100
> Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 6 May 2012 07:33:59 -0400
>> Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> > Some other questionable ones:
>> > emboss - Adds support for the European Molecular Biology Open
>>
>> We've had this discussion before... The question is not "are people
>> likely to want emboss?". The question is "of people who use packages
>> that have an emboss use flag, are those people likely to want emboss?".
>
> The question is "why aren't those packages using IUSE="+emboss" instead of
> cluttering up the profiles with obscure USE flags?".

Agreed, IF anybody using that package is likely to want that flag on
any profile.

Package defaults are good for the case when anybody using that package
on any profile is likely to want that flag.

Profile defaults are good for the case when anybody using that profile
is across-the-board likely to want or not want that flag.

In the case of emboss setting it (or not) at the package level would
seem to make sense. I can't see how having support for some
particular scientific application suite is going to vary depending on
whether the package is installed on a desktop vs server, or with
hardened vs non-hardened. I could see overriding it on hardened
making sense if it didn't build on that profile.

Rich