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Old 12-16-2011, 07:33 PM
Markos Chandras
 
Default gentoo-x86 commit in app-office/libreoffice: ChangeLog libreoffice-3.4.99.1.ebuild libreoffice-3.5.0.0.ebuild

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On 12/12/2011 05:44 PM, Tomas Chvatal (scarabeus) wrote:
> scarabeus 11/12/12 17:44:48
>
> Modified: ChangeLog Added:
> libreoffice-3.4.99.1.ebuild Removed:
> libreoffice-3.5.0.0.ebuild Log: Remove miss-named beta0. Add beta1
> with better name (presented as downgrade).
>
> (Portage version: 2.2.0_alpha80/cvs/Linux x86_64, RepoMan options:
> --force)
>
> Revision Changes Path 1.216
> app-office/libreoffice/ChangeLog
>
I know it is a bit late but do you think that commit made sense at
that time? It is not the best user experience we can provide when beta
releases appear as downgrades. FWIW beta releases should remain masked
to avoid useless compilations to slow machines instead of digging
through Changelogs to see what happened. Are the beta releases of
libreoffice so critical that force you to keep them in the ~testing tree?

- --
Regards,
Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2
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Old 12-17-2011, 07:32 AM
Ciaran McCreesh
 
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On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:33:11 +0000
Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> wrote:
> to avoid useless compilations to slow machines

That's a package manager issue, not an ebuild issue.

- --
Ciaran McCreesh
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Old 12-17-2011, 08:56 AM
Markos Chandras
 
Default gentoo-x86 commit in app-office/libreoffice: ChangeLog libreoffice-3.4.99.1.ebuild libreoffice-3.5.0.0.ebuild

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On 12/17/2011 09:34 AM, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> 2011/12/16 Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org>:
>> On 12/12/2011 05:44 PM, Tomas Chvatal (scarabeus) wrote:
>>> scarabeus 11/12/12 17:44:48
>>>
>>> Modified: ChangeLog Added:
>>> libreoffice-3.4.99.1.ebuild Removed: libreoffice-3.5.0.0.ebuild
>>> Log: Remove miss-named beta0. Add beta1 with better name
>>> (presented as downgrade).
>>>
>>> (Portage version: 2.2.0_alpha80/cvs/Linux x86_64, RepoMan
>>> options: --force)
>>>
>>> Revision Changes Path 1.216
>>> app-office/libreoffice/ChangeLog
>>>
>> I know it is a bit late but do you think that commit made sense
>> at that time? It is not the best user experience we can provide
>> when beta releases appear as downgrades. FWIW beta releases
>> should remain masked to avoid useless compilations to slow
>> machines instead of digging through Changelogs to see what
>> happened. Are the beta releases of libreoffice so critical that
>> force you to keep them in the ~testing tree?
>>
> They should be stable enough plus it helps a lot to catch all the
> bugs. Most of those Gentooers reported are being fixed and I think
> it is better to test it during the beta cycle rather than start
> messing with it after final release.
>
> So if you don't want those ebuild in main tree just tell me so and
> I can add only the releases (but then I won't care about the bugs
> much as I do this fixes as part of the upstream QA and don't use
> Gentoo [no worries I compile/runtime test it in the dev tinderbox
> that has gentoo], so at the point of release I should be focusing
> on master branch again).
>
> Tom
>
You misunderstood me. I don't object to beta ebuilds but I wonder if
testing users want to have them by default. Maybe they should be
masked by default and whoever wants the shiny stuff can always unmask
them. Anyway not a big deal. I guess I belong to the minority of
people who do own a single core PC in 2011

- --
Regards,
Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2
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Old 12-17-2011, 09:27 AM
Pacho Ramos
 
Default gentoo-x86 commit in app-office/libreoffice: ChangeLog libreoffice-3.4.99.1.ebuild libreoffice-3.5.0.0.ebuild

El sb, 17-12-2011 a las 09:56 +0000, Markos Chandras escribi:
[...]
> I guess I belong to the minority of
> people who do own a single core PC in 2011
>
> - --
> Regards,
> Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2

I still maintain a Pentium 4 HT and an Athlon 3200+
 
Old 12-17-2011, 09:47 AM
Markos Chandras
 
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On 12/17/2011 08:32 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:33:11 +0000 Markos Chandras
> <hwoarang@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> to avoid useless compilations to slow machines
>
> That's a package manager issue, not an ebuild issue.
>
How come? The package appears to have a lower version compared to the
previous one so the package manager treats it as a downgrade

- --
Regards,
Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2
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Old 12-17-2011, 11:02 AM
Ciaran McCreesh
 
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 10:47:47 +0000
Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On 12/17/2011 08:32 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:33:11 +0000 Markos Chandras
> > <hwoarang@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >> to avoid useless compilations to slow machines
> >
> > That's a package manager issue, not an ebuild issue.
> >
> How come? The package appears to have a lower version compared to the
> previous one so the package manager treats it as a downgrade

No, the issue that you think there's such a thing as a "useless
compilation". Your package manager should provide you with an easy way
of saying "I don't care about this package this time when I'm updating
world, so exclude it if possible".

- --
Ciaran McCreesh
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Old 12-17-2011, 03:58 PM
Zac Medico
 
Default gentoo-x86 commit in app-office/libreoffice: ChangeLog libreoffice-3.4.99.1.ebuild libreoffice-3.5.0.0.ebuild

On 12/17/2011 04:02 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 10:47:47 +0000
> Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> On 12/17/2011 08:32 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:33:11 +0000 Markos Chandras
>>> <hwoarang@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>>> to avoid useless compilations to slow machines
>>>
>>> That's a package manager issue, not an ebuild issue.
>>>
>> How come? The package appears to have a lower version compared to the
>> previous one so the package manager treats it as a downgrade
>
> No, the issue that you think there's such a thing as a "useless
> compilation". Your package manager should provide you with an easy way
> of saying "I don't care about this package this time when I'm updating
> world, so exclude it if possible".

With emerge there are currently at least two possible ways to accomplish
this:

1) Put the package in /etc/portage/package.mask (it will trigger
warnings about the installed package being masked though)

2) Use the emerge --exclude option.

If those don't fit well enough, we can add yet another way to do it.
--
Thanks,
Zac
 

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