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Old 06-09-2011, 01:20 PM
Samuli Suominen
 
Default gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml

Autocrazy in effect; disagree with the lead and get removed from the team.

- Samuli

On 06/09/2011 04:10 PM, Diego Petteno (flameeyes) wrote:
> flameeyes 11/06/09 13:10:22
>
> Modified: index.xml
> Log:
> Update roster. Sven hasn't been around for a long time; Mike and Samuli are not accepting working as part of the team.
>
> Revision Changes Path
> 1.50 xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa/index.xml
>
> file : http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa/index.xml?rev=1.50&view=markup
> plain: http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa/index.xml?rev=1.50&content-type=text/plain
> diff : http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa/index.xml?r1=1.49&r2=1.50
>
> Index: index.xml
> ================================================== =================
> RCS file: /var/cvsroot/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa/index.xml,v
> retrieving revision 1.49
> retrieving revision 1.50
> diff -u -r1.49 -r1.50
> --- index.xml 30 May 2011 18:59:02 -0000 1.49
> +++ index.xml 9 Jun 2011 13:10:22 -0000 1.50
> @@ -42,16 +42,13 @@
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> <dev role="Lead">flameeyes</dev>
> -<dev role="Member" description="autorepoman">swegener</dev>
> <dev role="Member">c1pher</dev>
> <dev role="Member">solar</dev>
> <dev role="Member">tove</dev>
> <dev role="Member">lu_zero</dev>
> -<dev role="Member" description="Support Personnel">vapier</dev>
> <dev role="Member">peper</dev>
> <dev role="Member">idl0r</dev>
> <dev role="Member">hwoarang</dev>
> -<dev role="Member">ssuominen</dev>
> <dev role="Member">darkside</dev>
> <dev role="Member">ulm</dev>
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Old 06-09-2011, 01:37 PM
Rich Freeman
 
Default gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml

On Jun 9, 2011 9:27 AM, "Samuli Suominen" <ssuominen@gentoo.org> wrote:

>

> Autocrazy in effect; disagree with the lead and get removed from the team.


So, without trying to comment on the particulars of this situation (of which I'm blissfully unaware beyond being able to guess from recent list traffic), do we need some kind of policy around membership on "special" project teams. QA and Devrel are the most obvious examples, Infra might be another.



Options might include council appointment or council appoints lead who appoints others. Direct election is another route, but I don't like the idea of having 5 annual elections and recalls and all that. Better to elect the top and let them reign in those beneath...



I'm not saying that anybody is doing a bad job now, but if people have gripes better to have a proper route of escalation than just bickering on-list. If they get to the top and aren't happy then they can just stew or run for election next term...



Rich
 
Old 06-09-2011, 01:44 PM
Diego Elio Pettenò
 
Default gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml

Il giorno gio, 09/06/2011 alle 16.20 +0300, Samuli Suominen ha scritto:
> Autocrazy in effect; disagree with the lead and get removed from the
> team.

Given the lead is held responsible for the behaviour of the team's
member in respect to the QA work, I don't think it is unexpected of the
lead to remove those people who have shown no intention to collaborate.

Beside, I warned both of you that you had to follow policy or get out,
neither of you even _bothered_ replying to my request.

If you don't like it, see Rich's comment (with whom I vastly agree).

--
Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
http://blog.flameeyes.eu/
 
Old 06-09-2011, 01:44 PM
Diego Elio Pettenò
 
Default gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml

Il giorno gio, 09/06/2011 alle 16.20 +0300, Samuli Suominen ha scritto:
> Autocrazy in effect; disagree with the lead and get removed from the
> team.

Given the lead is held responsible for the behaviour of the team's
member in respect to the QA work, I don't think it is unexpected of the
lead to remove those people who have shown no intention to collaborate.

Beside, I warned both of you that you had to follow policy or get out,
neither of you even _bothered_ replying to my request.

If you don't like it, see Rich's comment (with whom I vastly agree).

--
Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
http://blog.flameeyes.eu/
 
Old 06-09-2011, 03:39 PM
Samuli Suominen
 
Default gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml

On 06/09/2011 06:39 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Thursday, June 09, 2011 09:44:34 Diego Elio Petten wrote:
>> Il giorno gio, 09/06/2011 alle 16.20 +0300, Samuli Suominen ha scritto:
>>> Autocrazy in effect; disagree with the lead and get removed from the
>>> team.
>>
>> Given the lead is held responsible for the behaviour of the team's
>> member in respect to the QA work, I don't think it is unexpected of the
>> lead to remove those people who have shown no intention to collaborate.
>
> and as lead, you really should notify the group/people of team changes instead
> of just making silent cvs commits

+1

>> Beside, I warned both of you that you had to follow policy or get out,
>> neither of you even _bothered_ replying to my request.
>
> if you're referring to your "internal" e-mail, i didnt "bother" because it
> wasnt relevant and wasnt worth replying to

that was my impression of the mail as well, the tone used in the mail
was not a request but something worse. was not to be taken seriously.
 
Old 06-09-2011, 03:39 PM
Samuli Suominen
 
Default gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml

On 06/09/2011 06:39 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Thursday, June 09, 2011 09:44:34 Diego Elio Petten wrote:
>> Il giorno gio, 09/06/2011 alle 16.20 +0300, Samuli Suominen ha scritto:
>>> Autocrazy in effect; disagree with the lead and get removed from the
>>> team.
>>
>> Given the lead is held responsible for the behaviour of the team's
>> member in respect to the QA work, I don't think it is unexpected of the
>> lead to remove those people who have shown no intention to collaborate.
>
> and as lead, you really should notify the group/people of team changes instead
> of just making silent cvs commits

+1

>> Beside, I warned both of you that you had to follow policy or get out,
>> neither of you even _bothered_ replying to my request.
>
> if you're referring to your "internal" e-mail, i didnt "bother" because it
> wasnt relevant and wasnt worth replying to

that was my impression of the mail as well, the tone used in the mail
was not a request but something worse. was not to be taken seriously.
 
Old 06-09-2011, 03:39 PM
Mike Frysinger
 
Default gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml

On Thursday, June 09, 2011 09:44:34 Diego Elio Petten wrote:
> Il giorno gio, 09/06/2011 alle 16.20 +0300, Samuli Suominen ha scritto:
> > Autocrazy in effect; disagree with the lead and get removed from the
> > team.
>
> Given the lead is held responsible for the behaviour of the team's
> member in respect to the QA work, I don't think it is unexpected of the
> lead to remove those people who have shown no intention to collaborate.

and as lead, you really should notify the group/people of team changes instead
of just making silent cvs commits

> Beside, I warned both of you that you had to follow policy or get out,
> neither of you even _bothered_ replying to my request.

if you're referring to your "internal" e-mail, i didnt "bother" because it
wasnt relevant and wasnt worth replying to
-mike
 
Old 06-09-2011, 03:39 PM
Mike Frysinger
 
Default gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml

On Thursday, June 09, 2011 09:44:34 Diego Elio Petten wrote:
> Il giorno gio, 09/06/2011 alle 16.20 +0300, Samuli Suominen ha scritto:
> > Autocrazy in effect; disagree with the lead and get removed from the
> > team.
>
> Given the lead is held responsible for the behaviour of the team's
> member in respect to the QA work, I don't think it is unexpected of the
> lead to remove those people who have shown no intention to collaborate.

and as lead, you really should notify the group/people of team changes instead
of just making silent cvs commits

> Beside, I warned both of you that you had to follow policy or get out,
> neither of you even _bothered_ replying to my request.

if you're referring to your "internal" e-mail, i didnt "bother" because it
wasnt relevant and wasnt worth replying to
-mike
 
Old 06-10-2011, 11:44 AM
Sebastian Pipping
 
Default gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml

On 06/09/2011 03:37 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> do we need some kind of policy around membership on "special"
> project teams. QA and Devrel are the most obvious examples, Infra might
> be another.

in my eyes we do. too much power to be unregulated.

what does it take to get this rolling?



sebastian
 
Old 06-10-2011, 11:44 AM
Sebastian Pipping
 
Default gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml

On 06/09/2011 03:37 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> do we need some kind of policy around membership on "special"
> project teams. QA and Devrel are the most obvious examples, Infra might
> be another.

in my eyes we do. too much power to be unregulated.

what does it take to get this rolling?



sebastian
 

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