Hi folks,

with Oracle releasing virtualbox-4.0.0 they changed their proprietary stuff
which was formerly only available in the app-emulation/virtualbox-bin package
into extensions which can also be used by the source-based 4.0.0 ebuild when
you enable the "extensions" USE flag or install app-emulation/virtualbox-
extpack-oracle.
To reflect this new state we renamed app-emulation/virtualbox-ose packages to
app-emulation/virtualbox. The package move should be completely automatically.

Please pretty please read the elog messages when you update/install app-
emulation/virtualbox for the first time after this package move. It contains
important information!

--
Lars Wendler (Polynomial-C)
Gentoo package maintainer and bug-wrangler

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Lars Wendler <polynomial-c@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Please pretty please read the elog messages when you update/install app-
> emulation/virtualbox for the first time after this package move. It contains
> important information!

Shouldn't this be announced in a news message, and not a posting to
gentoo-dev. The users of virtualbox and the readers of
gentoo-dev-announce are not the same set.

Said news announcement should of course be rebroadcast when it hits stable.

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Dne 7.1.2011 16:51, Rich Freeman napsal(a):
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Lars Wendler <polynomial-c@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> Please pretty please read the elog messages when you update/install app-
>> emulation/virtualbox for the first time after this package move. It contains
>> important information!
>
> Shouldn't this be announced in a news message, and not a posting to
> gentoo-dev. The users of virtualbox and the readers of
> gentoo-dev-announce are not the same set.
>
> Said news announcement should of course be rebroadcast when it hits stable.
>

Why? It should be all automatic (the pkgmove).

And news items are supposed to be done when something changes so
drastically elog events does not sufice.

elog "IMPORTANT!"
elog "If you upgrade from app-emulation/virtualbox-ose make sure to run"
elog ""env-update" as root and logout and relogin as the user you wish"
elog "to run ${PN} as."

^ i dont think this is so drastic for news item

Cheers

Tom
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2011/1/7 Tomáš Chvátal <scarabeus@gentoo.org>:
> And news items are supposed to be done when something changes so
> drastically elog events does not sufice.
>
> elog "IMPORTANT!"
> elog "If you upgrade from app-emulation/virtualbox-ose make sure to run"
> elog ""env-update" as root and logout and relogin as the user you wish"
> elog "to run ${PN} as."
>
> ^ i dont think this is so drastic for news item

Sure, but then why send it to -dev let alone -dev-announce?

I hadn't read the elog - it just seemed like there shouldn't be many
cases where an announcement to the USERS of a package should go to
-dev-announce and not in a news message.

Now, if virtualbox-ose had a ton of reverse dependencies and we wanted
to mobilize devs to fix them in prep for the name change, that would
be different.

Bottom line is that if the goal is to let users of a package know
about a change, -dev-announce is neither sufficient nor on-topic. At
least, that's my thinking...

RIch

On 01/07/2011 10:07 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:


Bottom line is that if the goal is to let users of a package know
about a change, -dev-announce is neither sufficient nor on-topic. At
least, that's my thinking...


I agree, why do I as a reader of gentoo-dev{,-announce} care about vbox?
I've never used it. I assume the intent was to get the original message
to vbox USERS, not the general dev population..


-Jeremy

Sorry guys,

after thinking about it I definitely chose the wrong lists. Won't happen
again...

--
Lars Wendler (Polynomial-C)
Gentoo package maintainer and bug-wrangler

Am Freitag 07 Januar 2011, 22:05:27 schrieb Jeremy Olexa:
> On 01/07/2011 10:07 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> > Bottom line is that if the goal is to let users of a package know
> > about a change, -dev-announce is neither sufficient nor on-topic. At
> > least, that's my thinking...
>
> I agree, why do I as a reader of gentoo-dev{,-announce} care about vbox?
> I've never used it. I assume the intent was to get the original message
> to vbox USERS, not the general dev population..
>
> -Jeremy

On 01/07/2011 11:15 PM, Lars Wendler wrote:
> Sorry guys,
>
> after thinking about it I definitely chose the wrong lists. Won't happen
> again...
>

Also I wonder why the moderators thought this was appropriate for
-dev-announce?

Regards,
Petteri