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Old 10-19-2010, 03:39 PM
Christian Faulhammer
 
Default gentoo-x86 commit in app-cdr/cdemu: metadata.xml ChangeLog cdemu-1.3.0.ebuild

Hi,

"Peter Volkov (pva)" <pva@gentoo.org>:

> pva 10/10/19 14:35:39
>
> Modified: metadata.xml ChangeLog
> Added: cdemu-1.3.0.ebuild
> Log:
> Version bump. Added nocdemud USE flag to avoid cdemud dependency
> #315491 wrt Michał Górny.
> (Portage version: 2.1.9.18/cvs/Linux x86_64)

Is there a reason you don't use EAPI=1 syntax for default USE flags,
instead of the unwanted no* USE flags?

V-Li

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Old 10-21-2010, 04:57 AM
Peter Volkov
 
Default gentoo-x86 commit in app-cdr/cdemu: metadata.xml ChangeLog cdemu-1.3.0.ebuild

В Втр, 19/10/2010 в 17:39 +0200, Christian Faulhammer пишет:
> "Peter Volkov (pva)" <pva@gentoo.org>:
> > pva 10/10/19 14:35:39
> >
> > Modified: metadata.xml ChangeLog
> > Added: cdemu-1.3.0.ebuild
> > Log:
> > Version bump. Added nocdemud USE flag to avoid cdemud dependency
> > #315491 wrt Michał Górny.
> > (Portage version: 2.1.9.18/cvs/Linux x86_64)
>
> Is there a reason you don't use EAPI=1 syntax for default USE flags,
> instead of the unwanted no* USE flags?

Why unwanted? I remember there was never consensus...

In general USE flags enable/disable feature. Here "feature" is
_disabling_ cdemud and thus USE=nocdemud better expresses what intended.

--
Peter.
 
Old 10-21-2010, 06:08 AM
Eray Aslan
 
Default gentoo-x86 commit in app-cdr/cdemu: metadata.xml ChangeLog cdemu-1.3.0.ebuild

On 21.10.2010 07:57, Peter Volkov wrote:
> Why unwanted? I remember there was never consensus...

Well, in that case there is a discrepency with the devmanual:
http://devmanual.gentoo.org/general-concepts/use-flags/index.html#noblah-use-flags

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Old 10-21-2010, 07:30 AM
Peter Volkov
 
Default gentoo-x86 commit in app-cdr/cdemu: metadata.xml ChangeLog cdemu-1.3.0.ebuild

В Чтв, 21/10/2010 в 09:08 +0300, Eray Aslan пишет:
> On 21.10.2010 07:57, Peter Volkov wrote:
> > Why unwanted? I remember there was never consensus...
>
> Well, in that case there is a discrepency with the devmanual:
> http://devmanual.gentoo.org/general-concepts/use-flags/index.html#noblah-use-flags

Nothing there applies here, since this USE flag has nothing to do with
archs/profiles...

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Peter.
 
Old 10-21-2010, 09:45 AM
Eray Aslan
 
Default gentoo-x86 commit in app-cdr/cdemu: metadata.xml ChangeLog cdemu-1.3.0.ebuild

On 21.10.2010 10:30, Peter Volkov wrote:
> Nothing there applies here, since this USE flag has nothing to do with
> archs/profiles...

which will force some users to use double negative (-nocdemud, i.e. no
no cdemud) which is rather convulated and should be avoided imho. While
at it, we should try to make the wording on the devmanual clearer, that
it only applies to arches/profiles

or

just don't use noblah USE flags.

This is just a friendly suggestion and the decision is yours to make.
Over and out.
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Eray
 
Old 10-24-2010, 07:24 PM
William Hubbs
 
Default gentoo-x86 commit in app-cdr/cdemu: metadata.xml ChangeLog cdemu-1.3.0.ebuild

Hi all,

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:45:01PM +0300, Eray Aslan wrote:
> On 21.10.2010 10:30, Peter Volkov wrote:
> > Nothing there applies here, since this USE flag has nothing to do with
> > archs/profiles...
>
> which will force some users to use double negative (-nocdemud, i.e. no
> no cdemud) which is rather convulated and should be avoided imho. While
> at it, we should try to make the wording on the devmanual clearer, that
> it only applies to arches/profiles

I realize I'm a little lateon this thread, so this is more just for the
record I guess.

I don't like no* use flags either, for the same reason that was given
above. -no* is a double negative and it should be avoided.

William
 
Old 10-25-2010, 02:07 PM
Donnie Berkholz
 
Default gentoo-x86 commit in app-cdr/cdemu: metadata.xml ChangeLog cdemu-1.3.0.ebuild

On 14:24 Sun 24 Oct , William Hubbs wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:45:01PM +0300, Eray Aslan wrote:
> > On 21.10.2010 10:30, Peter Volkov wrote:
> > > Nothing there applies here, since this USE flag has nothing to do with
> > > archs/profiles...
> >
> > which will force some users to use double negative (-nocdemud, i.e. no
> > no cdemud) which is rather convulated and should be avoided imho. While
> > at it, we should try to make the wording on the devmanual clearer, that
> > it only applies to arches/profiles
>
> I realize I'm a little lateon this thread, so this is more just for the
> record I guess.
>
> I don't like no* use flags either, for the same reason that was given
> above. -no* is a double negative and it should be avoided.

Agreed. The argument that it's removing a feature is an implementation
detail that users don't and shouldn't have to care about at all.

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Thanks,
Donnie

Donnie Berkholz
Sr. Developer, Gentoo Linux
Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com
 
Old 10-25-2010, 02:23 PM
Peter Volkov
 
Default gentoo-x86 commit in app-cdr/cdemu: metadata.xml ChangeLog cdemu-1.3.0.ebuild

В Пнд, 25/10/2010 в 09:07 -0500, Donnie Berkholz пишет:
> On 14:24 Sun 24 Oct , William Hubbs wrote:
> > I don't like no* use flags either, for the same reason that was given
> > above. -no* is a double negative and it should be avoided.
>
> Agreed. The argument that it's removing a feature is an implementation
> detail that users don't and shouldn't have to care about at all.

Ok, renamed

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Peter.
 

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