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Old 07-04-2010, 03:17 PM
Fabio Erculiani
 
Default The future of sys-apps/openrc in Gentoo

How are we supposed to handle the amount of installations out there
that are using OpenRC then?
OpenRC/bl-2 have proven to be a big improvement over the old stuff. I
am for fixing current bugs, and keep it maintenance mode at least.
I'm already spread over several things but I could give a hand to
other devs willing to take over.

--
Fabio Erculiani
http://www.sabayon.org
http://www.gentoo.org
 
Old 07-04-2010, 04:28 PM
Pacho Ramos
 
Default The future of sys-apps/openrc in Gentoo

El dom, 04-07-2010 a las 16:29 +0200, Lars Wendler escribió:
> Hi list,
>
> now that openrc has no active upstram anymore [1] what shall we do? To be
> honest I was really looking forward for openrc/baselayout-2 finally becoming
> stable in Gentoo but this seems to be quite implausible now that openrc has no
> upstream anymore.
> If there's anyone out there who would volunteer to maintain openrc, please
> step up now or else I fear we must abandon openrc which would be very sad.
>
> [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/326865


What is its status over current baselayout-1? I am still using last one,
but seems that baselayout-2+openrc have some advantages over current
stable, then, maybe we should stabilize it anyway (when possible) until
a better replacement is found :-/
 
Old 07-04-2010, 06:23 PM
Daniel Schömer
 
Default The future of sys-apps/openrc in Gentoo

Nikos Chantziaras schrieb:
> On 07/04/2010 05:29 PM, Lars Wendler wrote:
>> now that openrc has no active upstram anymore [1] what shall we do?
> How about switching to something that has a very active upstream?
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/150190

I just want to throw in systemd:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318365
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd
 
Old 07-04-2010, 06:35 PM
Markos Chandras
 
Default The future of sys-apps/openrc in Gentoo

That would be the best but I wonder who has the time to even support
this maintenance mode. We could ask for help from our user community.
Maybe some of our users are quite familiar with the code and be able
to pick up the load fast enough

On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Fabio Erculiani <lxnay@gentoo.org> wrote:
> How are we supposed to handle the amount of installations out there
> that are using OpenRC then?
> OpenRC/bl-2 have proven to be a big improvement over the old stuff. I
> am for fixing current bugs, and keep it maintenance mode at least.
> I'm already spread over several things but I could give a hand to
> other devs willing to take over.
>
> --
> Fabio Erculiani
> http://www.sabayon.org
> http://www.gentoo.org
>
>
 
Old 07-04-2010, 07:39 PM
Ryan Hill
 
Default The future of sys-apps/openrc in Gentoo

On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 17:17:25 +0200
Fabio Erculiani <lxnay@gentoo.org> wrote:

> How are we supposed to handle the amount of installations out there
> that are using OpenRC then?
> OpenRC/bl-2 have proven to be a big improvement over the old stuff. I
> am for fixing current bugs, and keep it maintenance mode at least.
> I'm already spread over several things but I could give a hand to
> other devs willing to take over.


http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_21f716d5ffa6f04520e39d12fbe43452.xml

> The only reason why OpenRC has not come up for stabilization by it's
> maintainers is the fact that everytime there's a new version readied
> for release, on the horizon there's new incompatible changes being
> planned for the next version. The OpenRC maintainers in Gentoo have
> always chosen to wait until OpenRC settles down a little bit. Now with
> the plan to drop support for certain features (ADSL and PPP support in
> the networking code), it's going to rewrite more Gentoo people to step
> up to develop and maintain this code.


I would say it's settled down now.

I don't think stable can wait another 2-3 years on baselayout-1 while we
switch to yet another rc system.


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Old 07-04-2010, 08:09 PM
"Jory A. Pratt"
 
Default The future of sys-apps/openrc in Gentoo

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On 07/04/2010 02:39 PM, Ryan Hill wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 17:17:25 +0200
> Fabio Erculiani <lxnay@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
>> How are we supposed to handle the amount of installations out there
>> that are using OpenRC then?
>> OpenRC/bl-2 have proven to be a big improvement over the old stuff. I
>> am for fixing current bugs, and keep it maintenance mode at least.
>> I'm already spread over several things but I could give a hand to
>> other devs willing to take over.
>
>
> http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_21f716d5ffa6f04520e39d12fbe43452.xml
>
>> The only reason why OpenRC has not come up for stabilization by it's
>> maintainers is the fact that everytime there's a new version readied
>> for release, on the horizon there's new incompatible changes being
>> planned for the next version. The OpenRC maintainers in Gentoo have
>> always chosen to wait until OpenRC settles down a little bit. Now with
>> the plan to drop support for certain features (ADSL and PPP support in
>> the networking code), it's going to rewrite more Gentoo people to step
>> up to develop and maintain this code.
>
>
> I would say it's settled down now.
>
> I don't think stable can wait another 2-3 years on baselayout-1 while we
> switch to yet another rc system.
>
>
For those of you not on the #gentoo-dev channel, I just announced I am
gonna be looking at the openrc code and fixing the bugs and working to
continue the development. Anyone that is interested in helping please
feel free to contact me off list to discuss how we will handle getting
openrc back on track.

- --
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Old 07-04-2010, 09:02 PM
Mike Frysinger
 
Default The future of sys-apps/openrc in Gentoo

On Sunday, July 04, 2010 10:29:57 Lars Wendler wrote:
> now that openrc has no active upstram anymore [1] what shall we do? To be
> honest I was really looking forward for openrc/baselayout-2 finally
> becoming stable in Gentoo but this seems to be quite implausible now that
> openrc has no upstream anymore.
> If there's anyone out there who would volunteer to maintain openrc, please
> step up now or else I fear we must abandon openrc which would be very sad.

like i already told William a few months ago, it really doesnt matter. openrc
was a Gentoo project to start with and since it is all based in git, there's
nothing for us to do -- we already have an openrc git repo on the Gentoo git
server.

http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/openrc.git;a=summary
-mike
 
Old 07-04-2010, 10:04 PM
Lars Wendler
 
Default The future of sys-apps/openrc in Gentoo

Am Sonntag 04 Juli 2010, 23:02:39 schrieb Mike Frysinger:
> On Sunday, July 04, 2010 10:29:57 Lars Wendler wrote:
> > now that openrc has no active upstram anymore [1] what shall we do? To be
> > honest I was really looking forward for openrc/baselayout-2 finally
> > becoming stable in Gentoo but this seems to be quite implausible now that
> > openrc has no upstream anymore.
> > If there's anyone out there who would volunteer to maintain openrc,
> > please step up now or else I fear we must abandon openrc which would be
> > very sad.
>
> like i already told William a few months ago, it really doesnt matter.
> openrc was a Gentoo project to start with and since it is all based in
> git, there's nothing for us to do -- we already have an openrc git repo on
> the Gentoo git server.
>
> http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/openrc.git;a=summary
> -mike

Not very clear to anyone as metadata.xml still contains this snippet:

<maintainer>
<email>roy@marples.name</email>
<name>Roy Marples</name>
<description>Upstream - please CC him on valid bugs</description>
</maintainer>

--
Lars Wendler (Polynomial-C)
Gentoo developer and bug-wrangler
 
Old 07-04-2010, 10:15 PM
Mike Frysinger
 
Default The future of sys-apps/openrc in Gentoo

On Sunday, July 04, 2010 18:04:29 Lars Wendler wrote:
> Am Sonntag 04 Juli 2010, 23:02:39 schrieb Mike Frysinger:
> > On Sunday, July 04, 2010 10:29:57 Lars Wendler wrote:
> > > now that openrc has no active upstram anymore [1] what shall we do? To
> > > be honest I was really looking forward for openrc/baselayout-2 finally
> > > becoming stable in Gentoo but this seems to be quite implausible now
> > > that openrc has no upstream anymore.
> > > If there's anyone out there who would volunteer to maintain openrc,
> > > please step up now or else I fear we must abandon openrc which would be
> > > very sad.
> >
> > like i already told William a few months ago, it really doesnt matter.
> > openrc was a Gentoo project to start with and since it is all based in
> > git, there's nothing for us to do -- we already have an openrc git repo
> > on the Gentoo git server.
> >
> > http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/openrc.git;a=summary
>
> Not very clear to anyone as metadata.xml still contains this snippet:

which is trivial to fix and anyone with commit privs could have done. it
certainly doesnt warrant a paniced "the sky is falling" message.
-mike
 
Old 07-04-2010, 11:23 PM
Lars Wendler
 
Default The future of sys-apps/openrc in Gentoo

Am Montag 05 Juli 2010, 00:15:44 schrieb Mike Frysinger:
> it
> certainly doesnt warrant a paniced "the sky is falling" message.

Which I was nowhere trying to imply. I just wanted to have this situation
sorted out which now hopefully seems to be the case.

--
Lars Wendler (Polynomial-C)
Gentoo developer and bug-wrangler
 

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