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Old 06-18-2010, 04:06 AM
Jeroen Roovers
Default Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 19:47:34 +0100
Roy Bamford <neddyseagoon@gentoo.org> wrote:

> I'm against this idea - conflict resolution, I prefer the term
> mediation, is not something that the typical Gentoo developer is very
> good at. For sure, they have been involved in conflicts themselves
> but rarely, if ever, as a mediator.
> I think very few developers would stand for the role - its hard work
> ask any parent who has mediated between their offspring.
> I would prefer mediation to draw from a pool of volunteers, probably
> vetted by some trusted group and assigned to issues after their
> neutrality in any particular case had been determined by some method
> involving the protagonists. Elected mediators may well turn out to be
> unsuitable for the role.

The problem I see is that electing a pool of people to look into this
means opening the proverbial cans of worms to a wider public that
we have so far hidden away and resolved quietly.

I would think that where devrel fails, if and when and so on, the
higher authority to appeal to (the council) is already in place. But
then you could join devrel as a volunteer, I gather. I wonder if that's
what I should start doing now.

Old 06-21-2010, 03:44 PM
Petteri Räty
Default Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

On 06/17/2010 11:29 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
> Petteri,
> On 06/17/10 17:45, Petteri Räty wrote:
>> We communicate in English but that doesn't mean we all the same cultural
>> background. My native language doesn't do small talk and doesn't have a
>> word for please. Of course when writing English I try use please when
>> required by the other party but sugar coating wouldn't have changed what
>> I wanted to communicate with my message.
> the point of this thread is not the introduction of "sugar coating"
> (pretending to be nice in my words) as you call it. To me it's about
> turning Gentoo into a friendly and helpful community. (So it's actually
> not just about tone but the things coming before the tone, too.)

On 06/17/10 09:52, Petteri Räty wrote:
> >> Wrong mailing list. This thread belongs to gentoo-project.
> that's what I am referring to with "tone in Gentoo".
> I want the other 80% of you on the council.

How would you have liked this to be written then?

>> It would just increase the time
>> needed to write the message and raise the risk of getting misunderstood.
>> A short and to the point message is the easiest to understand.
> Yes, being friendly may take more words. Isn't it in your own best
> interest to have the other side not get pissed? Isn't that worth a few
> more words?

I don't see anything unfriendly in my first reply. This thread doesn't
have anything technical and as just doesn't belong to gentoo-dev. As
DevRel lead I think it's my duty to remind developers how our mailing
lists are meant to be used.


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