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Old 03-11-2010, 07:20 PM
Mart Raudsepp
 
Default Split desktop profile patches & news item for review

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 02:36 +0100, Ben de Groot wrote:
> On 8 March 2010 02:17, Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >
> > I attached the news item, please review. Meanwhile, I'll create docs patches.
> >
> > Also, I'm CCing hardened as my No.1 question was not answered. Please do.
> > Thanks
>
> Seeing as there were no further comments, I think we are good to go!

I suggest reading my comments...

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Mart Raudsepp
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Mail: leio@gentoo.org
Weblog: http://blogs.gentoo.org/leio
 
Old 03-12-2010, 07:36 AM
Mart Raudsepp
 
Default Split desktop profile patches & news item for review

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 23:20 +0100, Ben de Groot wrote:
> On 11 March 2010 21:20, Mart Raudsepp <leio@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 02:36 +0100, Ben de Groot wrote:
> >> Seeing as there were no further comments, I think we are good to go!
> >
> > I suggest reading my comments...
>
> Unless I missed something, you didn't make any comments on this
> thread.

The subthread got renamed to more fit its purpose.

> If you mean the thread you started that tangentially took off from this
> one, about eselect profile improvements: I support that proposal,
> but it will take some time to get implemented. Is anyone already
> working on that?
>
> In the meantime I see no reason for that to halt or postpone the
> current desktop profile improvements as prepared by Theo.

I argued that it's a bad idea to add yet more profiles, when we could
avoid that (while even improving things additionally).

But I guess I'll have to bring some direct points why I think
implementing the alternative as I described ASAP is better than ever
doing this gnome/kde subprofile thing:

* The split desktop profile plan retroactively modifies 2008.0 and 10.0
profiles. Not a good thing for obvious reasons. (Of course the
subprofiles could also be added together with a new release, as proposed
for the alternative idea)
* Adding yet more subprofiles, increasing repoman and pcheck time,
possibly confusing users (migration things; changing USE flags in a
perceived stable release profile leading to unexpected --newuse
triggering, etc)
* Making it harder to get both GNOME and KDE things out of a profile
(though the common things in desktop profile right now is quite
suboptimal for GNOME)
* Putting the problem of suboptimal subprofiles handling under the
carpet again, greatly reducing the motivation for people to work on the
alternative better proposal

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Mart Raudsepp
Gentoo Developer
Mail: leio@gentoo.org
Weblog: http://blogs.gentoo.org/leio
 
Old 03-13-2010, 10:25 PM
Mart Raudsepp
 
Default Split desktop profile patches & news item for review

On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 16:47 +0100, Ben de Groot wrote:
>
> Even so, if we choose not to implement the split now, there are
> problems that need addressing in the current situation. The Qt team
> finds the mysql dependency that was added to the desktop profile
> three months ago (see bug #291996) unacceptable. How would you
> propose to solve this without splitting the desktop profile?

Probably by solving the issue there. Either not requiring a mysql USE
flag in the relevant places, or USE defaulting it on there for now for
just that package; or package.use enabled in desktop profile, instead of
globally.



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Mart Raudsepp
Gentoo Developer
Mail: leio@gentoo.org
Weblog: http://blogs.gentoo.org/leio
 

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