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Samuli Suominen 03-04-2010 03:08 PM

RFC: News item for removal of 2008.0 and old hardened profiles
 
Attached you can find the news item for up coming profile cleanup.
Title: Up coming removal of deprecated 2008.0 and hardened profiles
Author: Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org>
Content-Type: text/plain
Posted: 2010-04-03
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 1.0
Display-If-Profile: hardened/ppc
Display-If-Profile: hardened/x86/2.6
Display-If-Profile: hardened/x86
Display-If-Profile: hardened/x86/minimal
Display-If-Profile: hardened/ppc64
Display-If-Profile: hardened/amd64/multilib
Display-If-Profile: hardened/amd64
Display-If-Profile: hardened/ia64
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc32/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc32/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc32/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc32/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/64bit-userland/developer
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/64bit-userland
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/64bit-userland/desktop
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/64bit-userland/server
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/32bit-userland/developer
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/32bit-userland
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/32bit-userland/desktop
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/32bit-userland/server
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/x86/2008.0/no-nptl
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/x86/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/x86/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/x86/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/x86/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/amd64/2008.0/no-multilib
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/amd64/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/amd64/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/amd64/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/amd64/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/ia64/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/ia64/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/ia64/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/ia64/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/alpha/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/alpha/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/alpha/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/alpha/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/s390/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/s390/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/sh/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/sh/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/sh/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/sh/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc32/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc32/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc32/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc32/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/64bit-userland/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/64bit-userland
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/64bit-userland/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/64bit-userland/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/32bit-userland/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/32bit-userland
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/32bit-userland/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/32bit-userland/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/m68k/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/m68k/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/m68k/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/m68k/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/hppa/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/hppa/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/hppa/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/hppa/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/x86/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/x86/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/x86/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/x86/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/mips/2008.0/cobalt/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/mips/2008.0/cobalt
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/mips/2008.0/cobalt/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/mips/2008.0/cobalt/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/mips/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/mips/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/mips/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/mips/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/arm/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/arm/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/arm/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/arm/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/amd64/2008.0/no-multilib
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/amd64/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/amd64/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/amd64/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/amd64/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/ia64/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/ia64/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/ia64/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/ia64/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/sparc/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/sparc/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/sparc/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/sparc/2008.0/server

The 2008.0 profiles have been deprecated for 4 months.
Users using these profiles are expected to migrate to a new profile
before 2010-01-04, at which point the profiles will be removed.
Users can switch to a new profile using eselect:

# eselect profile list
# eselect profile set <target>

If a machine is not migrated to a new valid profile before the deprecated
profiles are removed, emerge will have very limited functionality until
the migration is done.

Theo Chatzimichos 03-04-2010 03:21 PM

RFC: News item for removal of 2008.0 and old hardened profiles
 
On Thursday 04 March 2010 18:08:52 Samuli Suominen wrote:
> Attached you can find the news item for up coming profile cleanup.

don't you need a Display-If-Profile here or something similar?

btw it will be very handy if we could define a date until news items will be
shown and then deleted from svn
--
Theo Chatzimichos (tampakrap)
Gentoo KDE/Qt Teams
blog.tampakrap.gr

Mike Frysinger 03-05-2010 05:54 PM

RFC: News item for removal of 2008.0 and old hardened profiles
 
On Thursday 04 March 2010 11:08:52 Samuli Suominen wrote:
> Attached you can find the news item for up coming profile cleanup.

do profiles really need to be culled this often ? we used to let the tail run
longer and no one complained. it's easier to upgrade an old system when the
current profile is sane than having to create one from scratch because the new
profile uses features not actively available.

i.e. let's set a limit of like 3 years on profiles
-mike

Ed W 03-05-2010 10:33 PM

RFC: News item for removal of 2008.0 and old hardened profiles
 
On 05/03/2010 18:54, Mike Frysinger wrote:

On Thursday 04 March 2010 11:08:52 Samuli Suominen wrote:


Attached you can find the news item for up coming profile cleanup.


do profiles really need to be culled this often ? we used to let the tail run
longer and no one complained. it's easier to upgrade an old system when the
current profile is sane than having to create one from scratch because the new
profile uses features not actively available.

i.e. let's set a limit of like 3 years on profiles
-mike



I think I have mostly upgraded my machines, but I completely agree - I
sometimes let some old virtual machines sit unbooted for a year and then
suddenly want to use them and bring them up to date and occasionally
this can be a right old pain in the derrier...


Surely 4 months is too short a warning for profiles which can easily be
simply left to rot instead?

Duncan 03-06-2010 12:22 AM

RFC: News item for removal of 2008.0 and old hardened profiles
 
Ed W posted on Fri, 05 Mar 2010 23:33:43 +0000 as excerpted:

> I think I have mostly upgraded my machines, but I completely agree - I
> sometimes let some old virtual machines sit unbooted for a year and then
> suddenly want to use them and bring them up to date and occasionally
> this can be a right old pain in the derrier...

Surely, if you've let it go for a year, it's about as easy to reinstall
from a new stage-3 as it is to try to update from where you are? At least
that's a reasonably tested path, while trying to upgrade from a year out
isn't going to be well tested at all. Plus, with the weekly stage-3
builds, you're pretty much up-to-date on at least the core packages, as
soon as you've unpacked the stage-3. Sure, you then have to rebuild with
your personally selected C(XX)FLAGS/USEflags to get the customization that
most of us run Gentoo for, but at least you're working with relatively
recent and well-tested versions, not trying a virtually untraveled and
untested upgrade path, so if there /are/ any problems, they're very likely
to be happening to others as well, and there will be answers out there
ready to be applied, something that's not necessarily the case with year-
out tree-only upgrades, as there may have been several upgrades in the
mean time, with most folks tackling one at a time, and very few waiting a
year and trying to handle all at once.

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Mike Frysinger 03-06-2010 09:31 PM

RFC: News item for removal of 2008.0 and old hardened profiles
 
On Friday 05 March 2010 20:22:44 Duncan wrote:
> Ed W posted on Fri, 05 Mar 2010 23:33:43 +0000 as excerpted:
> > I think I have mostly upgraded my machines, but I completely agree - I
> > sometimes let some old virtual machines sit unbooted for a year and then
> > suddenly want to use them and bring them up to date and occasionally
> > this can be a right old pain in the derrier...
>
> Surely, if you've let it go for a year, it's about as easy to reinstall
> from a new stage-3 as it is to try to update from where you are?

tell that to my headless machines. shout at their butts.
-mike

Samuli Suominen 03-06-2010 09:47 PM

RFC: News item for removal of 2008.0 and old hardened profiles
 
On 03/07/2010 12:31 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Friday 05 March 2010 20:22:44 Duncan wrote:
>> Ed W posted on Fri, 05 Mar 2010 23:33:43 +0000 as excerpted:
>>> I think I have mostly upgraded my machines, but I completely agree - I
>>> sometimes let some old virtual machines sit unbooted for a year and then
>>> suddenly want to use them and bring them up to date and occasionally
>>> this can be a right old pain in the derrier...
>>
>> Surely, if you've let it go for a year, it's about as easy to reinstall
>> from a new stage-3 as it is to try to update from where you are?
>
> tell that to my headless machines. shout at their butts.
> -mike

no real rush, we can postpone it, but 3 years sounds a bit too much imho
how about news item this year's November, and removal on next January?
approx

- Samuli

Mike Frysinger 03-07-2010 01:03 AM

RFC: News item for removal of 2008.0 and old hardened profiles
 
On Saturday 06 March 2010 17:47:04 Samuli Suominen wrote:
> On 03/07/2010 12:31 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > On Friday 05 March 2010 20:22:44 Duncan wrote:
> >> Ed W posted on Fri, 05 Mar 2010 23:33:43 +0000 as excerpted:
> >>> I think I have mostly upgraded my machines, but I completely agree - I
> >>> sometimes let some old virtual machines sit unbooted for a year and
> >>> then suddenly want to use them and bring them up to date and
> >>> occasionally this can be a right old pain in the derrier...
> >>
> >> Surely, if you've let it go for a year, it's about as easy to reinstall
> >> from a new stage-3 as it is to try to update from where you are?
> >
> > tell that to my headless machines. shout at their butts.
>
> no real rush, we can postpone it, but 3 years sounds a bit too much imho
> how about news item this year's November, and removal on next January?
> approx

i dont think news items are necessary when profiles already have a built in
deprecation and documentation/notification system.

removal in January means they've been in the tree for ... ?
-mike


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