On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 09:35:28 +0000
Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@googlemail.com> wrote:

> And this is why the move wasn't done five years ago: by the time we'd
> worked out everything we'd need to do by hand because epkgmove was
> broken, the whole thing got bikeshedded to death.


https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56967

On 03/04/10 10:35, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 10:32:47 +0100
> Ulrich Mueller <ulm@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Christian Faulhammer wrote:
>>> My proposal would be to call it dev-scm and put all version
>>> controls, direct frontends, plugins and the like into that.

I like the idea, +1 from me


>> Better call it dev-vcs to avoid confusion with both the Scheme
>> language and with software configuration management.

Agreed, "scm" is a bad choice.


> And this is why the move wasn't done five years ago: by the time we'd
> worked out everything we'd need to do by hand because epkgmove was
> broken, the whole thing got bikeshedded to death.

So that's a great chance for all of us to prove we can do better this
time. We have at least two more names in the pool:

VCS = version control system/software
RCS = revision control system/software

The former seems more common to me though the second seems prefered in
wikipedia:
- "Version_control" forwards to "Revision control"
- "Comparison of revision control software"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_revision_control_software

I'd still propose "dev-vcs", unless someone spots something bad about it.



Sebastian

Hi,

Sebastian Pipping <sping@gentoo.org>:
> Agreed, "scm" is a bad choice.

So it is really tracked in
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56967 now. If there is
anything to comment do it there. Anyone can start moving the packages
over properly to dev-vcs (with profiles/updates entries of course), just
make it know somehow when you are working on packages not maintained by
you.

V-Li

--
Christian Faulhammer, Gentoo Lisp project
<URL:http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/lisp/>, #gentoo-lisp on FreeNode

<URL:http://gentoo.faulhammer.org/>

On 03/04/10 17:38, Christian Faulhammer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sebastian Pipping <sping@gentoo.org>:
>> Agreed, "scm" is a bad choice.
>
> So it is really tracked in
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56967 now. If there is
> anything to comment do it there.

Is that a good idea?
Maybe we should restrict the bug to status updates on moving and keep
discussions on here?


> Anyone can start moving the packages
> over properly to dev-vcs (with profiles/updates entries of course),

There seems to be a lot more to it:
- Updating eclasses?
- Updating documentation
- Updating reverse dependencies?
- Pushing news out to Gentoo users (and developers)
- Update package names used in Layman (my task)
- <more here>

What else can you think of?

Maybe make a new thread "dev-vcs migration roadmap" from here?



Sebastian

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 17:47, Sebastian Pipping <sping@gentoo.org> wrote:
> There seems to be a lot more to it:
> - Updating eclasses?
> - Updating documentation
> - Updating reverse dependencies?
> - Pushing news out to Gentoo users (and developers)
> - Update package names used in Layman (my task)
> - <more here>

This is a good list, but it seems much easier to keep track of such a
list in a bug.

Cheers,

Dirkjan

Hi,

Sebastian Pipping <sping@gentoo.org>:
> Is that a good idea?
> Maybe we should restrict the bug to status updates on moving and keep
> discussions on here?

I don't expect too many discussions.

> > Anyone can start moving the packages
> > over properly to dev-vcs (with profiles/updates entries of course),
>
> There seems to be a lot more to it:
> - Updating eclasses?
> - Updating reverse dependencies?

That is the normal procedure when pkgmoving a package. So nothing
special.

> - Updating documentation

A simple grep for dev-util/ should be sufficient.

> - Pushing news out to Gentoo users (and developers)

For what? pkgmove should handle that.

> - Update package names used in Layman (my task)

Yes.

> What else can you think of?

At the moment, nothing.

V-Li

--
Christian Faulhammer, Gentoo Lisp project
<URL:http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/lisp/>, #gentoo-lisp on FreeNode

<URL:http://gentoo.faulhammer.org/>

On 03/04/10 23:19, Christian Faulhammer wrote:
> That is the normal procedure when pkgmoving a package. So nothing
> special.

I'm a bit worried because I assume that moving packages is not an
everyday action for most developers.


>> - Pushing news out to Gentoo users (and developers)
>
> For what? pkgmove should handle that.

For the cases where being told works better than finding out yourself
the hard way. I haven't thought to an end what cases that will be.



Sebastian