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Sebastian Pipping 02-27-2010 03:18 AM

Marking bugs for bugday?
 
Hello!


I'm surprised that there is no keyword in Gentoo's bugzilla [1] to mark
bugs for bugday. Is there a good reason why such a keyword does not
exist? Would it be hard to set up?

Thanks,



Sebastian


[1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/describekeywords.cgi

Roy Bamford 02-27-2010 02:39 PM

Marking bugs for bugday?
 
On 2010.02.27 04:18, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
> Hello!
>
>
> I'm surprised that there is no keyword in Gentoo's bugzilla [1] to
> mark
> bugs for bugday. Is there a good reason why such a keyword does not
> exist? Would it be hard to set up?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Sebastian
>
>
> [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/describekeywords.cgi
>
>
Sebastian,

That sounds good. If it were an enumerated type bugs could be graded
for bugday too.

.e.g.
Novice
You need to have fixed a few
Intermediate
We don't have a clue.

I'm not suggesting any grades - those are just for illustration.

--
Regards,

Roy Bamford
(Neddyseagoon) an member of
gentoo-ops
forum-mods
trustees

Mark Loeser 02-27-2010 03:22 PM

Marking bugs for bugday?
 
Sebastian Pipping <sping@gentoo.org> said:
> Hello!
>
>
> I'm surprised that there is no keyword in Gentoo's bugzilla [1] to mark
> bugs for bugday. Is there a good reason why such a keyword does not
> exist? Would it be hard to set up?

I think the goal was to have http://bugday.gentoo.org/ fill this role
instead of polluting bugzie with more keywords. I'm not really attached
to one approach over the other, but atleast this little site gives the
users one place to have to check for things and we can categorize them
easily.

--
Mark Loeser
email - halcy0n AT gentoo DOT org
email - mark AT halcy0n DOT com
web - http://www.halcy0n.com

Sebastian Pipping 02-27-2010 04:38 PM

Marking bugs for bugday?
 
On 02/27/10 17:22, Mark Loeser wrote:
> I think the goal was to have http://bugday.gentoo.org/ fill this role

whenever i visit bugday.gentoo.org it takes minutes to load.
afair for the two bugdays i participated it didn't display anything
helpful (to me), especially: why does it show fixed bugs, too? about
half of them are fixed.

section "new, requests for ebuilds, or just a version bump" doesn't have
a single bug after 2006, that's how "new" it is.


> instead of polluting bugzie with more keywords.

would a single keyword be pollution?


> I'm not really attached
> to one approach over the other, but atleast this little site gives the
> users one place to have to check for things and we can categorize them
> easily.

what i see as an advantage of the bugzilla-keyword approach is that any
developer can contribute: everyone (especially bug wranglers) can mark
bugs for bugday easily from bugzilla.

bugday.gentoo.org could still be used as an entry point showing these bugs.



sebastian

Sebastian Pipping 02-27-2010 04:42 PM

Marking bugs for bugday?
 
On 02/27/10 16:39, Roy Bamford wrote:
> That sounds good. If it were an enumerated type bugs could be graded
> for bugday too.
>
> .e.g.
> Novice
> You need to have fixed a few
> Intermediate
> We don't have a clue.
>
> I'm not suggesting any grades - those are just for illustration.

I had that idea too and found it not too helpful.
Potential issues:

- Difficulity can be very subjective

- Introducing new "levels" later doesn't work well
as we'd manually have to go through each bug "left"
or "right" of that new level. So we'd have to get it
very right the first time.



Sebastian

Roy Bamford 02-27-2010 05:14 PM

Marking bugs for bugday?
 
On 2010.02.27 17:38, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
[snip]

> what i see as an advantage of the bugzilla-keyword approach is that
> any
> developer can contribute: everyone (especially bug wranglers) can
> mark
> bugs for bugday easily from bugzilla.
>
> bugday.gentoo.org could still be used as an entry point showing these
> bugs.
>
>
>
> sebastian
>


Sebastian,

What would be the criteria for marking a bug as bugday?

Why whould it be any better than a properly maintained
bugday.gentoo.org page, which also tried to classify bugs.

The last few times I've dropped into bugday, its been very quiet, which
suggests its in need of some tlc but maybe its just my timezone.

--
Regards,

Roy Bamford
(Neddyseagoon) an member of
gentoo-ops
forum-mods
trustees

Sebastian Pipping 02-27-2010 07:15 PM

Marking bugs for bugday?
 
On 02/27/10 19:14, Roy Bamford wrote:
> What would be the criteria for marking a bug as bugday?

I would say something along a "yes" to

Could this task fit for being solved by someone who
is not a Gentoo developer?

It's not precise, does it need to be?


> Why whould it be any better than a properly maintained
> bugday.gentoo.org page, which also tried to classify bugs.

As I said: with this keyword every Gentoo dev can help classifying.
Lower risk on bottlenecks/delays and manpower.


> The last few times I've dropped into bugday, its been very quiet, which
> suggests its in need of some tlc but maybe its just my timezone.

Sorry, what's "tlc"? Next Saturday is a bugday date again, btw.



Sebastian

Dale 02-27-2010 07:46 PM

Marking bugs for bugday?
 
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Sorry, what's "tlc"? Next Saturday is a bugday date again, btw.



Sebastian





Tender Loving Care.

Dale

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Mark Loeser 02-27-2010 07:48 PM

Marking bugs for bugday?
 
Roy Bamford <neddyseagoon@gentoo.org> said:
> The last few times I've dropped into bugday, its been very quiet, which
> suggests its in need of some tlc but maybe its just my timezone.

Its been pretty much dead. We need more developer involvement so users
can actually talk to them and help resolve issues. If we can't get
enough developers to participate then we should just stop trying to do
it instead of putting on such a poor showing.

--
Mark Loeser
email - halcy0n AT gentoo DOT org
email - mark AT halcy0n DOT com
web - http://www.halcy0n.com

Ben de Groot 02-27-2010 08:45 PM

Marking bugs for bugday?
 
On 27 February 2010 21:48, Mark Loeser <halcy0n@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Roy Bamford <neddyseagoon@gentoo.org> said:
>> The last few times I've dropped into bugday, its been very quiet, which
>> suggests its in need of some tlc but maybe its just my timezone.
>
> Its been pretty much dead. *We need more developer involvement so users
> can actually talk to them and help resolve issues. *If we can't get
> enough developers to participate then we should just stop trying to do
> it instead of putting on such a poor showing.

I would like to be involved but not in the current disorganized form. Our
#gentoo-bugs channel topic still refers to the thoroughly outdated
bugsday.g.o page, and I can't edit either of them.

We need an easier interface to mark bugs to be tackled on bugday,
and I like Sebastian's proposal for that. The idea for the bugsday.g.o
page is good, but it needs to be brought up-to-date and accessible
to all devs. Low barriers to participation and all that. And even devs
who cannot take part on the day itself could participate by requesting
certain bugs or issues to be tackled.

Also, participating devs should get permission to commit easy fixes
for packages they don't maintain (the other thread about commit
policies is relevant here). Obviously issues that are more involved
need to be passed on to the proper maintainers.

I think if we can get a few devs and possibly some users together
to organize this in a better way, this could be useful. But if things
are to stay the way they are, then we better stop pretending.

Cheers,
--
Ben de Groot
Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc)
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