On Monday 09 November 2009 13:08:52 Peter Volkov wrote:
> Well, it looks like the root of this problem is the following statement:
> "QA is less important then new packages in the tree". I failed to hear
> any arguments why QA is unimportant so I still believe that QA problem
> is a problem.
Ok, here's the real problem;
"Unmaintained stuff is unmaintained"
And instead of being happy that people like ssuominen just fix things where
other people don't (be it because these other people have no interest, only
care about a few packages or have become distracted with life) some people get
really confused and start working on demotivating us.
You should understand one thing: I don't care at all about most packages. I'm
handling virtualbox because right now jokey doesn't seem to have the time. I
fixed Xen bugs because drobbins pointed out that there were a few bugs with
it, and the current maintainers seem to have gone for a long walk in the park.
Can't blame anyone there (I've disappeared for some time too), but those
packages would be in a really useless state now.
And if I break something for a day or two, well, that's ~arch for you. I try
to avoid breaking things, but if things break in ~arch the users shouldn't be
too surprised. Otherwise we wouldn't even have to care about having the
arch/~arch split. Better a slightly buggy version than a security-exploitable
version. Especially when the bug gets fixed the next day.
So find me a dozen recruits that can properly maintain things and I won't feel
the need to touch random packages. Stop living in your sandbox and have a look
at the bigger picture
(Btw, I wonder how many bugs glibc-2.11 will bring. We'll just let users
discover them. I love that QA!)
I'm trying to get people to help me, but it's a slow tedious process to even
motivate most. And then our recruiting puts up a virtual wall many don't want
to climb over. At times it's tiring, it's demotivating, and still we go on.
Because we still believe that we can improve things. And as they say, you
can't make an omlette without breaking some eggs.