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Old 11-03-2009, 09:30 PM
Jörg Schaible
 
Default Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

Hi Samuli,

Samuli Suominen wrote:

> Peter Volkov wrote:
>> ? ???, 16/10/2009 ? 23:09 +0300, Samuli Suominen ?????:
>>> # Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> (16 Oct 2009)
>>> # Fails to build with KDE4 installed wrt bug #277427.
>>> # Masked for removal in 30 days.
>>> net-news/eventwatcher
>>> kde-misc/kisdnwatch
>> ...
>>> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279823
>>
>> Does kde team changed their plans to move kde3 together with all kde3
>> applications to dedicated overlay? If not, then why we just drop this
>> applications?
>>
>
> No, the plan hasn't changed. These won't build with _stable_ KDE4
> installed, and has no reverse deps. As such, they will be killed. Only
> the functional KDE3 programs will be moved to overlay.

Sorry, I cannot follow this argumentation. In the office I need Exchange
integration and all I can hope is, that it is ready for KDE 4.5. Unless
this time, I have to stick with KDE3.

However, with you removing all those apps, you also remove quite some that I
use and need also. If you do not move them to the KDE3 overlay, my KDE3
setup is quite similar useless as KDE4 and the KDE3 overlay is simply a
farce. If I use KDE3 only, I do *not* have KDE4 on my machine i.e. those
apps *will* build without problems. You would have better add some build
dependency with <kdelibs-4 to effectively block those ebuilds when KDE4 is
installed.

Please reconsider these actions.

- Jörg
 
Old 11-04-2009, 01:21 PM
Pacho Ramos
 
Default Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

El mié, 04-11-2009 a las 07:55 -0600, Dale escribió:
>
> I mention because I have already downloaded Mandriva and plan to install
> it as a temporary fix if needed. I think I can suffer through Mandriva
> for a couple months while this gets sorted out. I'm planning to install
> the same for my brother. I would like to install Gentoo but he's not as
> geeky as me.
>
> < back to my hole again >
>
> Dale
>
> :-) :-)
>
>

Mandriva already dropped KDE3 in 2010 and cooker and it's not being
supported in older versions, since it's in contrib (for 2009.1) and
2009.0 (and previous) support ended for desktops. Then, it's "the same
situation" (or even worse since, *if I don't misremember*, there is no
external repository still providing kde3)

Regards
 
Old 11-04-2009, 01:28 PM
Dale
 
Default Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

Pacho Ramos wrote:
> El mié, 04-11-2009 a las 07:55 -0600, Dale escribió:
>
>> I mention because I have already downloaded Mandriva and plan to install
>> it as a temporary fix if needed. I think I can suffer through Mandriva
>> for a couple months while this gets sorted out. I'm planning to install
>> the same for my brother. I would like to install Gentoo but he's not as
>> geeky as me.
>>
>> < back to my hole again >
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-) :-)
>>
>>
>>
>
> Mandriva already dropped KDE3 in 2010 and cooker and it's not being
> supported in older versions, since it's in contrib (for 2009.1) and
> 2009.0 (and previous) support ended for desktops. Then, it's "the same
> situation" (or even worse since, *if I don't misremember*, there is no
> external repository still providing kde3)
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>

I have the 2009 version which still has KDE 3.5 available. I think KDE
4 is there to but I don't plan to install it anyway.

It may not be as secure but at least it still works. ;-)

Dale

:-) :-)
 
Old 11-04-2009, 08:57 PM
Pacho Ramos
 
Default Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

El mié, 04-11-2009 a las 15:48 -0600, Dale escribió:
> Ben de Groot wrote:
> > 2009/11/4 Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Is it possible to just mask and maybe keyword KDE 3?
> >>
> >
> > This has already been decided. We are moving it to an overlay.
> > I can't think of a valid reason why you would not use that overlay.
> >
>
> Because I don't want one more thing to have to deal with. Gentoo is
> enough fun already.
>
But, why do you think having kde3 stuff hardmasked in main tree in
unmaintained state will be better than having it on a external
overlay? :-/

Also, think about gnome users (like me) that will not need to download
all kde3 ebuilds on every sync :-) Yes, maybe they aren't so much but I
still fail to see why do you think that preserving kde3 hardmasked is
better than using an overlay

Regards
 
Old 11-04-2009, 09:51 PM
Dale
 
Default Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

Pacho Ramos wrote:
> El mié, 04-11-2009 a las 15:48 -0600, Dale escribió:
>
>> Ben de Groot wrote:
>>
>>> 2009/11/4 Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Is it possible to just mask and maybe keyword KDE 3?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> This has already been decided. We are moving it to an overlay.
>>> I can't think of a valid reason why you would not use that overlay.
>>>
>>>
>> Because I don't want one more thing to have to deal with. Gentoo is
>> enough fun already.
>>
>>
> But, why do you think having kde3 stuff hardmasked in main tree in
> unmaintained state will be better than having it on a external
> overlay? :-/
>
> Also, think about gnome users (like me) that will not need to download
> all kde3 ebuilds on every sync :-) Yes, maybe they aren't so much but I
> still fail to see why do you think that preserving kde3 hardmasked is
> better than using an overlay
>
> Regards
>
>

Because I am not familiar with overlays. I have never used one and hope
to keep it that way. If it was hardmasked, just run autounmask
kde-meta:3.5 or something similar and carry on. Naturally that wouldn't
last forever. It would eventually have to go away but most likely it
only needs to be there for a couple months, maybe three months. I
really believe KDE will be stable and working well in the near future.

As for the tree, until recently I was on a very slow dial-up and just
syncing the tree took about 45 minutes on average. I never complained
about Gnome being there. I don't use Gnome but I know other people do.
I did try it once tho. Just prefer KDE. Sorry. I won't complain about
Gnome if you don't complain about KDE. lol

Dale

:-) :-)
 
Old 11-05-2009, 01:11 AM
Paul Arthur
 
Default Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

On 2009-11-04, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> Pacho Ramos wrote:
>
>> El mié, 04-11-2009 a las 15:48 -0600, Dale escribió:
>>
>>> Ben de Groot wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2009/11/4 Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Is it possible to just mask and maybe keyword KDE 3?
>>>>
>>>> This has already been decided. We are moving it to an overlay. I
>>>> can't think of a valid reason why you would not use that overlay.
>>>
>>> Because I don't want one more thing to have to deal with. Gentoo
>>> is enough fun already.
>>
>> But, why do you think having kde3 stuff hardmasked in main tree
>> in unmaintained state will be better than having it on a external
>> overlay? :-/
>>
>> Also, think about gnome users (like me) that will not need to
>> download all kde3 ebuilds on every sync :-) Yes, maybe they aren't
>> so much but I still fail to see why do you think that preserving
>> kde3 hardmasked is better than using an overlay
>
> Because I am not familiar with overlays. I have never used one and
> hope to keep it that way. If it was hardmasked, just run autounmask
> kde-meta:3.5 or something similar and carry on.

"I am not familiar with autounmask. I have never used it and hope to
keep it that way. If it was in an overlay, just run layman -a kde3 or
something similar and carry on."
 
Old 11-05-2009, 03:38 AM
Dale
 
Default Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

Paul Arthur wrote:
> On 2009-11-04, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Pacho Ramos wrote:
>>
>>
>>> El mié, 04-11-2009 a las 15:48 -0600, Dale escribió:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ben de Groot wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 2009/11/4 Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it possible to just mask and maybe keyword KDE 3?
>>>>>>
>>>>> This has already been decided. We are moving it to an overlay. I
>>>>> can't think of a valid reason why you would not use that overlay.
>>>>>
>>>> Because I don't want one more thing to have to deal with. Gentoo
>>>> is enough fun already.
>>>>
>>> But, why do you think having kde3 stuff hardmasked in main tree
>>> in unmaintained state will be better than having it on a external
>>> overlay? :-/
>>>
>>> Also, think about gnome users (like me) that will not need to
>>> download all kde3 ebuilds on every sync :-) Yes, maybe they aren't
>>> so much but I still fail to see why do you think that preserving
>>> kde3 hardmasked is better than using an overlay
>>>
>> Because I am not familiar with overlays. I have never used one and
>> hope to keep it that way. If it was hardmasked, just run autounmask
>> kde-meta:3.5 or something similar and carry on.
>>
>
> "I am not familiar with autounmask. I have never used it and hope to
> keep it that way. If it was in an overlay, just run layman -a kde3 or
> something similar and carry on."
>
>

Well actually, I already have KDE 3.5 in package.keyword and
package.unmask so I wouldn't have to do anything at all. I would gladly
share my files with you so you wouldn't have to run autounmask since you
are not familiar with it and don't want to use it. All for helping my
fellow Gentoo users and making life easier for them too.

Dale

:-) :-)
 
Old 11-05-2009, 06:16 AM
Alistair Bush
 
Default Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

> Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > El mié, 04-11-2009 a las 07:55 -0600, Dale escribió:
> >> I mention because I have already downloaded Mandriva and plan to install
> >> it as a temporary fix if needed. I think I can suffer through Mandriva
> >> for a couple months while this gets sorted out. I'm planning to install
> >> the same for my brother. I would like to install Gentoo but he's not as
> >> geeky as me.
> >>
> >> < back to my hole again >
> >>
> >> Dale
> >>
> >> :-) :-)
> >
> > Mandriva already dropped KDE3 in 2010 and cooker and it's not being
> > supported in older versions, since it's in contrib (for 2009.1) and
> > 2009.0 (and previous) support ended for desktops. Then, it's "the same
> > situation" (or even worse since, *if I don't misremember*, there is no
> > external repository still providing kde3)
> >
> > Regards
>
> I have the 2009 version which still has KDE 3.5 available. I think KDE
> 4 is there to but I don't plan to install it anyway.
>
> It may not be as secure but at least it still works. ;-)

If you never sync'd you portage tree again then kde3.5 would continue to work
too.
>
> Dale
>
> :-) :-)
>
 
Old 11-05-2009, 06:28 AM
Dale
 
Default Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

Alistair Bush wrote:
>> Pacho Ramos wrote:
>>
>>> El mié, 04-11-2009 a las 07:55 -0600, Dale escribió:
>>>
>>>> I mention because I have already downloaded Mandriva and plan to install
>>>> it as a temporary fix if needed. I think I can suffer through Mandriva
>>>> for a couple months while this gets sorted out. I'm planning to install
>>>> the same for my brother. I would like to install Gentoo but he's not as
>>>> geeky as me.
>>>>
>>>> < back to my hole again >
>>>>
>>>> Dale
>>>>
>>>> :-) :-)
>>>>
>>> Mandriva already dropped KDE3 in 2010 and cooker and it's not being
>>> supported in older versions, since it's in contrib (for 2009.1) and
>>> 2009.0 (and previous) support ended for desktops. Then, it's "the same
>>> situation" (or even worse since, *if I don't misremember*, there is no
>>> external repository still providing kde3)
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>> I have the 2009 version which still has KDE 3.5 available. I think KDE
>> 4 is there to but I don't plan to install it anyway.
>>
>> It may not be as secure but at least it still works. ;-)
>>
>
> If you never sync'd you portage tree again then kde3.5 would continue to work
> too.
>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-) :-)
>>
>>

I thought about that too. Everything works right now so I could go a
little while without a update. However, we all know what happens if you
go to long without updating Gentoo. A couple things pop up that bite
you hard. With my luck, there would be a dozen or so. One that comes
to mind is expat. It's not often but it can be fun when you have
several at a time.

Dale

:-) :-)
 
Old 11-05-2009, 10:10 AM
Pacho Ramos
 
Default Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

El mié, 04-11-2009 a las 16:51 -0600, Dale escribió:
> Because I am not familiar with overlays. I have never used one and hope
> to keep it that way. If it was hardmasked, just run autounmask
> kde-meta:3.5 or something similar and carry on.

I simply run:
# emerge layman
# layman -a "desired overlay"
# emerge "desired kde3 package"

in summary, please take a look on layman ;-)

> As for the tree, until recently I was on a very slow dial-up and just
> syncing the tree took about 45 minutes on average. I never complained
> about Gnome being there. I don't use Gnome but I know other people do.
> I did try it once tho. Just prefer KDE. Sorry. I won't complain about
> Gnome if you don't complain about KDE. lol

That rationale is not ok since gnome is properly alive and maintained,
while kde3 is unsupported by upstream :-)

>
> Dale

Best regards
 

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