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Ciaran McCreesh 12-24-2007 07:38 AM

PMS location (Was: EAPI placement)
 
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:27:39 +0000 (UTC)
Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote:
> The problem right now is that while you are correct, that's the
> official list, due to technical/political issues, the Gentoo-official
> PMS repo doesn't (or didn't as of the last council meeting, according
> to the log) have any EAPI-1 info at all, as it's currently outdated,
> with the work all going into the off-Gentoo repo.

No no. The 'Gentoo-official' repo doesn't have any EAPI-1 info at all
because whoever's supposed to have set up the 'Gentoo-official' repo
hasn't bothered to tell any of the people doing the committing a) where
the repo is or how to commit to it, b) what the technical reasons for
moving away from the current repo are or c) who all has root on the box
upon which the repo is hosted. Even if any of the PMS contributors
*wanted* to commit to an official Gentoo repository, they couldn't
because neither the Council nor whoever did the setting up have
bothered to tell them about it.

> (Apparently, there aren't any official Gentoo devs working on PMS
> ATM. =8^( Did I mention political issues in addition to technical
> ones?)

So far as I'm aware, spb is still technically an official Gentoo
developer.

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Duncan 12-24-2007 08:39 PM

PMS location (Was: EAPI placement)
 
Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@blueyonder.co.uk> posted
20071224083819.003f0d26@blueyonder.co.uk, excerpted below, on Mon, 24 Dec
2007 08:38:19 +0000:

> Even if any of the PMS contributors *wanted* to commit to an official
> Gentoo repository, they couldn't because neither the Council nor
> whoever did the setting up have bothered to tell them about it.

That would appear to be part of the technical issues side. As I
understood the last council log discussion, the eventual idea is to
handle it similar to what's being done with Roy's RC or whatever it ends
up being called (formerly baselayout, proposed OpenRC shot down due to
preexisting trademark rights belonging to someone else), but infra hasn't
gotten the full thing setup yet, proper permissions and secure access and
all that. Apparently, at present, pretty much the only one with access
is the one who actually did the port, and he's hasn't done much with it
since.

Thanks for correcting the "no Gentoo people working on it" thing tho. I
couldn't understand quite /no/, tho it might be only one, SPB.

FWIW, I intended to post this link earlier but forgot to include it (tho
I did mention it was in the last council meeting log so those interested
knew what to look for, at least). The PMS discussion was last, the only
thing in Open Floor, which started at logged time 21:51 on line 311:

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20071213.txt

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Roy Marples 12-24-2007 10:00 PM

PMS location (Was: EAPI placement)
 
On Mon, 2007-12-24 at 21:39 +0000, Duncan wrote:
> Apparently, at present, pretty much the only one with access
> is the one who actually did the port, and he's hasn't done much with it
> since.

I beg to differ - I've down an awful lot with the code.
It now installs and works cleanly on a vanilla FreeBSD.
man pages have been written for every userland tool and library function
it provides.
Init scripts now support a "template" system, based on Free/Net BSDs RC.
Lots of Gentoo reported bugs have been fixed.

Infact, the last of the planned changes have now been comitted to my
local repo and I'll be itching to make a release soon into the New Year.

Granted I'm waiting on Gentoo Infra to host it (the git repo) because
that is what we agreed. However I'm probably going to end up going with
someone else, or hosting myself, because it's now coming up to 2 months
and nothings ready yet. Heck, my retirement bug [1] is still pending and
I currently have full access to all my accounts on various boxes. So
either I'm a very trustable guy that you really don't want to retire
(tough, I have) or some people are slacking.

[1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199318

Thanks

Roy

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"Robin H. Johnson" 12-25-2007 02:52 AM

PMS location (Was: EAPI placement)
 
On Mon, Dec 24, 2007 at 11:00:44PM +0000, Roy Marples wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-12-24 at 21:39 +0000, Duncan wrote:
> > Apparently, at present, pretty much the only one with access
> > is the one who actually did the port, and he's hasn't done much with it
> > since.
>
> I beg to differ - I've down an awful lot with the code.
> It now installs and works cleanly on a vanilla FreeBSD.
> man pages have been written for every userland tool and library function
> it provides.
> Init scripts now support a "template" system, based on Free/Net BSDs RC.
> Lots of Gentoo reported bugs have been fixed.
>
> Infact, the last of the planned changes have now been comitted to my
> local repo and I'll be itching to make a release soon into the New Year.
>
> Granted I'm waiting on Gentoo Infra to host it (the git repo) because
> that is what we agreed. However I'm probably going to end up going with
> someone else, or hosting myself, because it's now coming up to 2 months
> and nothings ready yet. Heck, my retirement bug [1] is still pending and
> I currently have full access to all my accounts on various boxes. So
> either I'm a very trustable guy that you really don't want to retire
> (tough, I have) or some people are slacking.
> [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199318
We're getting there.

Infra moves a bit slowly at times, because it's not all we do.
On the retirement side, I was holding off doing them, to get a larger
batch, that had their 1 month of notice today, if you search for bugs
with 'infra-retire' in the whiteboard right now, you'll find them until
I've got them completed.

The CVS stuff should have been locked out already, not sure how you
tested that.

The Git stuff is coming very shortly (probably as a Christmas gift from
infra tmrw), I've spent the last week or so on it. (I think the upstream
gitosis author is going to kill me, but meh, it had to be done to make
it work for Gentoo).

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Roy Marples 12-25-2007 05:59 AM

PMS location (Was: EAPI placement)
 
On Mon, 2007-12-24 at 19:52 -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> The CVS stuff should have been locked out already, not sure how you
> tested that.

I didn't.
I assumed that as I had access to d.g.o, I had CVS access too.
My bad.

> The Git stuff is coming very shortly (probably as a Christmas gift from
> infra tmrw), I've spent the last week or so on it. (I think the upstream
> gitosis author is going to kill me, but meh, it had to be done to make
> it work for Gentoo).

Great!

Thanks

Roy

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