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Old 05-27-2008, 04:32 PM
Michael C
 
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Rex Dieter wrote:

Michael C wrote:



This thread reminds me of an unpleasant bug in the KDE Control Center
(https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=251286) which hosed the
X-server for anyone attempting to install fonts "system wide" by
selecting Administrator Mode.


...


I only mention this because, despite the fact that it continues to
persist in F8, with it being originally filed as arising in F7 the bug's
set to be "officially" closed on June 13.



Closed only because no one bothered to confirm whether the bug still exists
yet or not.



Presumably because it's reasonable to surmise from that page (at least
when I first read it, eight months after the bug report had originally
been filed) that the bug had been left to fester: there's no indication
that Fedora has attempted to fix kfontinst itself, and no reference (as
would typically happen to KDE bugs tracked in Bugzilla) to the bug being
referred upstream.

For the record I've just had a word with the developer assigned to it --
the Fedora version number's been incremented to 8!






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Old 05-28-2008, 06:37 PM
Ric Moore
 
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On Tue, 2008-05-27 at 17:45 +0200, François Patte wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Le 27.05.2008 16:40, Patrick O'Callaghan a écrit :
> | On Tue, 2008-05-27 at 14:16 +0100, Tim Waugh wrote:
> |> On Tue, 2008-05-27 at 07:32 -0500, Steven Stern wrote:
> |>> I've found numerous guides to installing all of the MS core fonts via a
> |>> spec file in F9, but how do I install a single TTF font in Fedora 9?
> |>> System -> Preferences -> Look and Feel -> Appearances shows me
> available
> |>> fonts, but I can't find a tool to add a font.
> |> In Fedora 8 it was like this:
> |>
> |> System->Preferences->Look and Feel->Appearance
> |> Fonts->Details...->Go to Fonts Folder
> |>
> |> I would love to know how this is meant to work in Fedora 9 now that the
> |> 'Go to Fonts Folder' button has disappeared...
> |
> | I don't know the answer, but remember that in F9 no longer uses xfs, so
> | that may change things.
>
> In f8 (and I believe in f9) fonts work without any problems and
> "dynamically" with font-config.
>
> Put your fonts in ~/.fonts and it is done. You can check the result
> using fc-list
>
> For a system wide use, create a directory:
>
> /usr/local/share/fonts/
>
> then add the fonts there (in their own directory if you want to make a
> classification).
>
> To have these fonts used by the system, create a local.conf file in
> /etc/fonts
>
> <----local.conf
>
> <fontconfig>
> ~ <!-- Font directory list -->
> ~ <dir>/usr/local/share/fonts</dir>
> </fontconfig>
>
> <--- end local.conf

In my Xvfb thread, what the heck is /etc/X11/fontpath.d for?? And, how
is it initted/created and what should be in it? Is it a file or a
directory? I'm finding nuttin' googling my rear-end off. How 'bout it
Rahul?? Inquiring minds really need to know, so Xvfb works.

Or, would a local.conf file, as suggested here, override the mysterious
fontpath.d whateveritis?? I sure need to fix this one for my project
using Xvbf in Java Wonderland so we get our "proof-of-concept" before
the interested parties. Thanx, Ric

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Old 05-28-2008, 06:38 PM
Ric Moore
 
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On Tue, 2008-05-27 at 17:06 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Tuesday 27 May 2008 16:09:23 Rex Dieter wrote:
> > Michael C wrote:
> > > This thread reminds me of an unpleasant bug in the KDE Control Center
> > > (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=251286) which hosed the
> > > X-server for anyone attempting to install fonts "system wide" by
> > > selecting Administrator Mode.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > I only mention this because, despite the fact that it continues to
> > > persist in F8, with it being originally filed as arising in F7 the bug's
> > > set to be "officially" closed on June 13.
> >
> > Closed only because no one bothered to confirm whether the bug still exists
> > yet or not.
> >
> It must be very depressing to see the huge number of bugs that stick on a
> NEEDINFO ticket for years, with no-one bothering to follow them up.

Hugely, Anne. Hugely. Ric

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Old 05-28-2008, 06:42 PM
Ric Moore
 
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On Tue, 2008-05-27 at 11:26 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Anne Wilson wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday 27 May 2008 16:09:23 Rex Dieter wrote:
>
> >> > I only mention this because, despite the fact that it continues to
> >> > persist in F8, with it being originally filed as arising in F7 the
> >> > bug's set to be "officially" closed on June 13.
> >>
> >> Closed only because no one bothered to confirm whether the bug still
> >> exists yet or not.
> >>
> > It must be very depressing to see the huge number of bugs that stick on a
> > NEEDINFO ticket for years, with no-one bothering to follow them up.
>
> Shrug, folks are busy, I think we can all understand that. In a perfect
> world all bugs would be fixed, and everyone would get a magical
> fedora-branded pony.
>
> My take as packager, is that if a bug isn't important enough for followup
> (esp after NEEDINFO) or to be reported (properly), then it's not important
> enough to take the time/effort to look at and fix. I try to focus on the
> stuff that folks care about the most, where I see/hear the most (hopefully)
> constructive feedback. hrm... I feel a blog coming on...

Rex, the other shoe on that pony, as has been debated before, is that a
lot of us would prefer to ask the list first, just so we're not creating
something <*>--STUPID--<*> on the bug list.

I'm sure the guys that have to answer those tickets would rather we make
sure that we've TRIED to become informed on the problems first, then to
make an intelligent as well as useful submission to bugzilla after. Or,
we could just put the list to bed and file every problem to bugzilla to
wait months for the result. That's my take on it. Ric

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Old 05-28-2008, 07:04 PM
Anne Wilson
 
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On Wednesday 28 May 2008 19:42:43 Ric Moore wrote:
> Rex, the other shoe on that pony, as has been debated before, is that a
> lot of us would prefer to ask the list first, just so we're not creating
> something <*>--STUPID--<*> *on the bug list.
>
> I'm sure the guys that have to answer those tickets would rather we make
> sure that we've TRIED to become informed on the problems first, then to
> make an intelligent as well as useful submission to bugzilla after. Or,
> we could just put the list to bed and file every problem to bugzilla to
> wait months for the result. That's my take on it. Ric

I totally agree, but the fact remains that many people open a bug, then when a
NEEDINFO comes back there is no response from them. If no-one else adds to
the bug report either there is little that the developers can do. I've seen
bug reports that have been stuck with a NEEDINFO for around 3 years, then
people complain that the bugs aren't getting fixed. They must think that
developers have a cheap line on crystal balls :-)

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Old 05-31-2008, 07:51 PM
Bill Davidsen
 
Default F9 - Install a Font

Rex Dieter wrote:

Michael C wrote:


This thread reminds me of an unpleasant bug in the KDE Control Center
(https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=251286) which hosed the
X-server for anyone attempting to install fonts "system wide" by
selecting Administrator Mode.

...

I only mention this because, despite the fact that it continues to
persist in F8, with it being originally filed as arising in F7 the bug's
set to be "officially" closed on June 13.


Closed only because no one bothered to confirm whether the bug still exists
yet or not.

This is a clearly reported bug, with a clear and repeatable way to
demonstrate it, and no note to indicate that any change has been made to
fix it. Therefore why would someone need to verify that it still exists,
since it can be reproduced in about the same time as it takes to mark it
NEEDSINFO?


I have the feeling that some bugs get totally blown off by marking them
NEEDSINFO instead of UNMAINTAINED or WONTFIX, when the maintainer is the
one who can't be bothered to check using the procedure the user
provided. And why would a user bother, given that no one fixed it in a year?


The hardest thing to do is admit you are too busy or unmotivated to
maintain something and hand it off or drop it. Been there, did it too
late several times.


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Old 05-31-2008, 07:58 PM
Bill Davidsen
 
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François Patte wrote:

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Le 27.05.2008 16:40, Patrick O'Callaghan a écrit :
| On Tue, 2008-05-27 at 14:16 +0100, Tim Waugh wrote:
|> On Tue, 2008-05-27 at 07:32 -0500, Steven Stern wrote:
|>> I've found numerous guides to installing all of the MS core fonts via a
|>> spec file in F9, but how do I install a single TTF font in Fedora 9?
|>> System -> Preferences -> Look and Feel -> Appearances shows me
available
|>> fonts, but I can't find a tool to add a font.
|> In Fedora 8 it was like this:
|>
|> System->Preferences->Look and Feel->Appearance
|> Fonts->Details...->Go to Fonts Folder
|>
|> I would love to know how this is meant to work in Fedora 9 now that the
|> 'Go to Fonts Folder' button has disappeared...
|
| I don't know the answer, but remember that in F9 no longer uses xfs, so
| that may change things.

In f8 (and I believe in f9) fonts work without any problems and
"dynamically" with font-config.

Put your fonts in ~/.fonts and it is done. You can check the result
using fc-list

For a system wide use, create a directory:

/usr/local/share/fonts/

then add the fonts there (in their own directory if you want to make a
classification).

To have these fonts used by the system, create a local.conf file in
/etc/fonts

<----local.conf

<fontconfig>
~ <!-- Font directory list -->
~ <dir>/usr/local/share/fonts</dir>
</fontconfig>

<--- end local.conf


See

man fonts-conf

Thanks for that clear pointer, I rarely use global fonts, but you post
went in the tricks folder!

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Old 05-31-2008, 10:22 PM
Rex Dieter
 
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Bill Davidsen wrote:

> Rex Dieter wrote:

>> Closed only because no one bothered to confirm whether the bug still
>> exists yet or not.
>>
> This is a clearly reported bug, with a clear and repeatable way to
> demonstrate it, and no note to indicate that any change has been made to
> fix it. Therefore why would someone need to verify that it still exists,
> since it can be reproduced in about the same time as it takes to mark it
> NEEDSINFO?

Because newer versions of the software have been released since then,
someone/somewhere really does need to do the verification.

> I have the feeling that some bugs get totally blown off by marking them
> NEEDSINFO instead of UNMAINTAINED or WONTFIX, when the maintainer is the
> one who can't be bothered to check using the procedure the user
> provided. And why would a user bother, given that no one fixed it in a
> year?
...
> The hardest thing to do is admit you are too busy or unmotivated to
> maintain something and hand it off or drop it. Been there, did it too
> late several times.

Nod, excellent point. In this case, I'll freely admit being both too busy
and unmotivated to personally help do much about this particular issue. I
do my best to prioritize my time/efforts, and this one wasn't on my radar.

Still, for anything to happen and for bugs to be fixed, it takes at least
*one* person (or more, and more the better) to care enough to "champion the
cause", if you will. If that requirement isn't met, the bugs die of
inattention, I'm afraid.

-- Rex

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