I previously had Fedora Core 6 and could login as root with
no problems. On Fedora Core 9 although I set the root password and can
successfully use it to get to System Administration settings, when I do the
following:


*


login root


<enter my root password>


*


Login incorrect


*


*What needs to happen first?


*


Many thanks,


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* Leslee







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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doner, Leslee <leslee.doner@hp.com>
> Subject: Login as root on Fedora Core 9
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:49:35 +0000


> What needs to happen first?

what is your security level?

can you login as a 'normal user'?


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Needed to do:

su --login

Many thanks!

Leslee

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doner, Leslee <leslee.doner@hp.com>
> Subject: Login as root on Fedora Core 9
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:49:35 +0000


> What needs to happen first?

what is your security level?

can you login as a 'normal user'?


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Doner, Leslee wrote:

Needed to do:

su --login

Many thanks!

Leslee


Why not use "su -" instead?

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> I previously had Fedora Core 6 and could login as root with no problems. On
> Fedora Core 9 although I set the root password and can successfully use it
> to get to System Administration settings, when I do the following:

1. So are you not able to login using the root password?
2. Can you login as any other user, and then use "su -" to become root?
3. Can you login as any other user at all? Or does the login fail with
an error message?

If you need to recover your root password, boot to single user mode
and change your root password as mentioned here
(http://www.linuxforums.org/security/howto:_recover_root_password.html)



>
>
>
> login root
>
> <enter my root password>
>
>
>
> Login incorrect
>
>
>
> What needs to happen first?
>
>
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
>
> Leslee
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> > I previously had Fedora Core 6 and could login as root with no problems. On
> > Fedora Core 9 although I set the root password and can successfully use it
> > to get to System Administration settings, when I do the following:
>
> 1. So are you not able to login using the root password?
> 2. Can you login as any other user, and then use "su -" to become root?
> 3. Can you login as any other user at all? Or does the login fail with
> an error message?
>
> If you need to recover your root password, boot to single user mode
> and change your root password as mentioned here
> (http://www.linuxforums.org/security/howto:_recover_root_password.html)

<snip>

This is a situation in which I think too much is being done to protect
us. I have been using UNIX/linux for nearly 30 years and I almost never
login in as root, but when I do it is because a normal login followed by
an su just is either not available or won't easily work.

I intend to figure out how to defeat this (IMHO) misfeature.

A part of the basis of my approach is that I am the only user of my
systems/network. My partner has her own system, and we have an
agreement. The other part of my approach to security is that I have
invested a LOT of effort in securing borders. based on long my
experience. If THEM get access to your network (if any) your system is
at serious risk. Then if they get on your system the game is lost. I
believe prohibiting local root logins does little to improve computer
security, and gets in the way when a root login would be of great help.

I guess I do not object to the current login process,but I object to it
being imposed in silence. I moved from Fedora core 3 to FC6 then F8 and
was surprised when the ability to login as root from a hard wired
console.

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David L. Gehrt wrote:


<snip>

This is a situation in which I think too much is being done to protect
us. I have been using UNIX/linux for nearly 30 years and I almost never
login in as root, but when I do it is because a normal login followed by
an su just is either not available or won't easily work.

I intend to figure out how to defeat this (IMHO) misfeature.


A part of the basis of my approach is that I am the only user of my
systems/network. My partner has her own system, and we have an
agreement. The other part of my approach to security is that I have
invested a LOT of effort in securing borders. based on long my
experience. If THEM get access to your network (if any) your system is
at serious risk. Then if they get on your system the game is lost. I
believe prohibiting local root logins does little to improve computer
security, and gets in the way when a root login would be of great help.

I guess I do not object to the current login process,but I object to it
being imposed in silence. I moved from Fedora core 3 to FC6 then F8 and
was surprised when the ability to login as root from a hard wired
console.



If you "have been using UNIX/linux for nearly 30 years", and I don't doubt
you, you should be able to figure a way around this very easily. I have only
been using Linux for about fifteen years and it took me almost two minutes. It
should be much faster for you.



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umm...

for those of us who haven't followed the entire thread...

are you stating that you can't login (as root) to a fc9 machine when you're
local/console to the box?

or is this a situation where you're attempting to do a remote/ssh login as
root?

thanks


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David L. Gehrt wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> This is a situation in which I think too much is being done to protect
> us. I have been using UNIX/linux for nearly 30 years and I almost never
> login in as root, but when I do it is because a normal login followed by
> an su just is either not available or won't easily work.
>
> I intend to figure out how to defeat this (IMHO) misfeature.
>
> A part of the basis of my approach is that I am the only user of my
> systems/network. My partner has her own system, and we have an
> agreement. The other part of my approach to security is that I have
> invested a LOT of effort in securing borders. based on long my
> experience. If THEM get access to your network (if any) your system is
> at serious risk. Then if they get on your system the game is lost. I
> believe prohibiting local root logins does little to improve computer
> security, and gets in the way when a root login would be of great help.
>
> I guess I do not object to the current login process,but I object to it
> being imposed in silence. I moved from Fedora core 3 to FC6 then F8 and
> was surprised when the ability to login as root from a hard wired
> console.


If you "have been using UNIX/linux for nearly 30 years", and I don't doubt
you, you should be able to figure a way around this very easily. I have only
been using Linux for about fifteen years and it took me almost two minutes.
It
should be much faster for you.


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bruce wrote:

umm...

for those of us who haven't followed the entire thread...

are you stating that you can't login (as root) to a fc9 machine when you're
local/console to the box?

or is this a situation where you're attempting to do a remote/ssh login as
root?

I assume the latter. I have been doing console login a LOT since FC9, so
I can system-config-damndisplay over and over, trying to get useful X.


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hey bill...

i'm not sure i see what the issue is???

if you're trying to get a remote gui/desktop on an fc9 system, wouldn't vnc
still work?


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bruce wrote:
> umm...
>
> for those of us who haven't followed the entire thread...
>
> are you stating that you can't login (as root) to a fc9 machine when
you're
> local/console to the box?
>
> or is this a situation where you're attempting to do a remote/ssh login as
> root?
>
I assume the latter. I have been doing console login a LOT since FC9, so
I can system-config-damndisplay over and over, trying to get useful X.

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