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Old 11-19-2007, 08:58 PM
"Alastair Neil"
 
Default F8 x86_64 and i386 installs hang on Dell Optiplex 320 with Intel Pentium 2160 processor

On Nov 14, 2007 12:14 PM, Alastair Neil <ajneil@gmail.com> wrote:



On Nov 13, 2007 6:38 PM, Craig White <craig@tobyhouse.com> wrote:


On Tue, 2007-11-13 at 17:40 -0500, Alastair Neil wrote:
> I have a Dell Optiplex 320 with a Pentium dual Dual Core CPU ( 2160).
> I am trying to boot off of a usb thumb drive with the disk images from

> the respective full DVD.isos.
>
> Both fail to get past probing the serial ports on boot. *The i386
> thumb drive has been used successfully to install a Dell 270.
> Currently both hyperthreading and speedstep are enabled. *I have tried

> a few kernel parameters, such as pci=nomsi, acpi=off and noacpi to no
> avail.
>
> Has anyone succeeded in installing F8 on this hardware?
----
my fault, I have a number of bugzilla items in on this...


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=219715



https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=379201

you'll note that on the last one, I did figure out that appending

pci=noacpi timesource=acpi_pm

kernel parameters will allow you to install/boot


but I have never gotten grub to boot on these things and nothing has
changed there, thus I continue to use lilo to get these things to boot
which means that each kernel update requires a manual run of lilo.



I'm hoping that we get these things all worked out as I am working
doggedly with the kernel developers on this

Craig
Craig,

thanks for the tips adding pci=noapci and clocksource=acpi_pm indeed allowed me to start the install.* I have added myself as a CC on the bugs you mentioned so, I'll keep my fingers crossed.* A complication on my part is that these are to be dual boot systems.* I havn't used lilo in years so I'm going to have to brush up on my dual boot lilo configuration.


Thanks again, Alastair


*
An update for those following at home:

I have managed to get these systems to boot using grub2, of course I have had to disable kernel updates in the
yum.conf.

As a side note I was absolutely dismayed by the state of grub development.* The last release of grub2 was at the beginning of 2006.* It seems to be completely stagnant.* This certainly raises the question whither Fedora?




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Old 11-19-2007, 09:10 PM
Karl Larsen
 
Default F8 x86_64 and i386 installs hang on Dell Optiplex 320 with Intel Pentium 2160 processor

Alastair Neil wrote:

On Nov 14, 2007 12:14 PM, Alastair Neil <ajneil@gmail.com> wrote:



On Nov 13, 2007 6:38 PM, Craig White <craig@tobyhouse.com> wrote:



On Tue, 2007-11-13 at 17:40 -0500, Alastair Neil wrote:


I have a Dell Optiplex 320 with a Pentium dual Dual Core CPU ( 2160).
I am trying to boot off of a usb thumb drive with the disk images from

the respective full DVD.isos.


Both fail to get past probing the serial ports on boot. The i386
thumb drive has been used successfully to install a Dell 270.
Currently both hyperthreading and speedstep are enabled. I have tried

a few kernel parameters, such as pci=nomsi, acpi=off and noacpi to no

avail.

Has anyone succeeded in installing F8 on this hardware?


----
my fault, I have a number of bugzilla items in on this...

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=219715

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=379201

you'll note that on the last one, I did figure out that appending

pci=noacpi timesource=acpi_pm

kernel parameters will allow you to install/boot

but I have never gotten grub to boot on these things and nothing has
changed there, thus I continue to use lilo to get these things to boot
which means that each kernel update requires a manual run of lilo.

I'm hoping that we get these things all worked out as I am working
doggedly with the kernel developers on this

Craig


Craig,

thanks for the tips adding pci=noapci and clocksource=acpi_pm indeed
allowed me to start the install. I have added myself as a CC on the bugs
you mentioned so, I'll keep my fingers crossed. A complication on my part
is that these are to be dual boot systems. I havn't used lilo in years so
I'm going to have to brush up on my dual boot lilo configuration.

Thanks again, Alastair







An update for those following at home:

I have managed to get these systems to boot using grub2, of course I have
had to disable kernel updates in the yum.conf.

As a side note I was absolutely dismayed by the state of grub development.
The last release of grub2 was at the beginning of 2006. It seems to be
completely stagnant. This certainly raises the question whither Fedora?


I wonder what grub 2 might be. I had a lot of trouble with the grub
I have on F7 but it was all my lack of understanding how grub works and
now it works fine. Could you have the same problem?




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Old 11-20-2007, 02:29 PM
"Alastair Neil"
 
Default F8 x86_64 and i386 installs hang on Dell Optiplex 320 with Intel Pentium 2160 processor

On Nov 19, 2007 5:19 PM, Craig White <craig@tobyhouse.com> wrote:

On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 15:10 -0700, Karl Larsen wrote:
> Alastair Neil wrote:
> > On Nov 14, 2007 12:14 PM, Alastair Neil <ajneil@gmail.com
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On Nov 13, 2007 6:38 PM, Craig White <craig@tobyhouse.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Tue, 2007-11-13 at 17:40 -0500, Alastair Neil wrote:

> >>>
> >>>> I have a Dell Optiplex 320 with a Pentium dual Dual Core CPU ( 2160).
> >>>> I am trying to boot off of a usb thumb drive with the disk images from
> >>>>

> >>>> the respective full DVD.isos.
> >>>>
> >>>> Both fail to get past probing the serial ports on boot. *The i386
> >>>> thumb drive has been used successfully to install a Dell 270.

> >>>> Currently both hyperthreading and speedstep are enabled. *I have tried
> >>>>
> >>>> a few kernel parameters, such as pci=nomsi, acpi=off and noacpi to no
> >>>> avail.

> >>>>
> >>>> Has anyone succeeded in installing F8 on this hardware?
> >>>>
> >>> ----
> >>> my fault, I have a number of bugzilla items in on this...

> >>>
> >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=219715
> >>>
> >>>
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=379201
> >>>
> >>> you'll note that on the last one, I did figure out that appending
> >>>
> >>> pci=noacpi timesource=acpi_pm

> >>>
> >>> kernel parameters will allow you to install/boot
> >>>
> >>> but I have never gotten grub to boot on these things and nothing has
> >>> changed there, thus I continue to use lilo to get these things to boot

> >>> which means that each kernel update requires a manual run of lilo.
> >>>
> >>> I'm hoping that we get these things all worked out as I am working
> >>> doggedly with the kernel developers on this

> >>>
> >>> Craig
> >>>
> >> Craig,
> >>
> >> thanks for the tips adding pci=noapci and clocksource=acpi_pm indeed
> >> allowed me to start the install. *I have added myself as a CC on the bugs

> >> you mentioned so, I'll keep my fingers crossed. *A complication on my part
> >> is that these are to be dual boot systems. *I havn't used lilo in years so
> >> I'm going to have to brush up on my dual boot lilo configuration.

> >>
> >> Thanks again, Alastair

> > An update for those following at home:
> >
> > I have managed to get these systems to boot using grub2, of course I have
> > had to disable kernel updates in the
yum.conf.
> >
> > As a side note I was absolutely dismayed by the state of grub development.
> > The last release of grub2 was at the beginning of 2006. *It seems to be
> > completely stagnant. *This certainly raises the question whither Fedora?

> >
> >
> * * I wonder what grub 2 might be. I had a lot of trouble with the grub
> I have on F7 but it was all my lack of understanding how grub works and
> now it works fine. Could you have the same problem?

----
Karl, please refrain from entering this thread.

It has nothing to do with you, nothing to do with anything you own, have
ever done, will ever do and it is so highly unlikely that you will

contribute anything constructive to it, that you need to ignore this
thread completely...

Thank you

I don't know anything about grub2 but obviously GPL and similar license
permits forking at will but of course, projects that aren't actively

maintained aren't going to make it into mainstream distribution.

That said, I'm not sure what grub2 offers that lilo doesn't offer...lilo
works too.


I picked gub2 over lilo because my lilo skills are about 7 years out of date and I hoped, futilely as it turned out, that I could use grub2 as a drop in replacement for grub.* It appears that the current version, which is actually just a* little over a year old - not the nearly 2 years I originally said, is far from feature complete in terms of compatibility with grub.


So I guess if you are happy with lilo there is no compelling reason to switch.

I checked the mailing lists for the grub2 project and there is activity, however I remain concerned that they have gone from a* dot release every few months to nothing for over a year.* I 'm guessing they must be making a major design* overhaul.


Alastair
*
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