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Old 09-06-2012, 04:00 AM
Ranjan Maitra
 
Default sylpheed updates on Fedora

Hi,

I have been wondering about the lack of updates for sylpheed on Fedora.
Neither the stable 3.2 nor the new develomental 3.3.1 has been provided:
I looked up Bugzilla requests but they seem not to have been fulfilled.
Is sylpheed on the road to becoming an orphan in Fefora?

Many thanks,
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Old 09-06-2012, 04:15 AM
Frank Cox
 
Default sylpheed updates on Fedora

On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 23:00:52 -0500
Ranjan Maitra wrote:

> I have been wondering about the lack of updates for sylpheed on Fedora.
> Neither the stable 3.2 nor the new develomental 3.3.1 has been provided:

I provide stable updates for Sylpheed on Centos here:

http://www.melvilletheatre.com/articles/el6

Download sylpheed-3.2.0-1.src.rpm from my webpage, and do this:

rpmbuild --rebuild sylpheed-3.2.0-1.src.rpm

That will get you a Fedora binary of the latest stable version.

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Old 09-06-2012, 08:54 AM
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Default sylpheed updates on Fedora

The sad thing is that any packet, even if it is an application which has a large userbase both inside and outside Fedora, will drop dead if the maintainer leaves (there does not seem to be a process in place for replacing them). I was very surprised, for one, that the Netbeans IDE had been dropped completely for Fedora 17. The framework is still there, but the IDE is gone.*



On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Frank Cox <theatre@sasktel.net> wrote:


On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 23:00:52 -0500

Ranjan Maitra wrote:



> I have been wondering about the lack of updates for sylpheed on Fedora.

> Neither the stable 3.2 nor the new develomental 3.3.1 has been provided:



I provide stable updates for Sylpheed on Centos here:



http://www.melvilletheatre.com/articles/el6



Download sylpheed-3.2.0-1.src.rpm from my webpage, and do this:



rpmbuild --rebuild sylpheed-3.2.0-1.src.rpm



That will get you a Fedora binary of the latest stable version.



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Old 09-06-2012, 10:00 AM
Michael Schwendt
 
Default sylpheed updates on Fedora

On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 23:00:52 -0500, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have been wondering about the lack of updates for sylpheed on Fedora.
> Neither the stable 3.2 nor the new develomental 3.3.1 has been provided:
> I looked up Bugzilla requests but they seem not to have been fulfilled.
> Is sylpheed on the road to becoming an orphan in Fefora?

A package in the Fedora collection is maintained by at least one person.
It can happen that this person leaves without notice. It can also happen
that there are co-maintainers, but the multiple maintainers don't
communicate with eachother. And it can happen that the package "owner"
owns packages without being active, and co-maintainers expect the owner to
be more active or drop the package and not pretend that packages are
being maintained.

http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/sylpheed
-> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/843901
-> sylpheed-3.3.0beta1 is available
-> Reported: 2012-07-27 11:44 EDT by Upstream Release Monitoring

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Old 09-06-2012, 01:16 PM
Ranjan Maitra
 
Default sylpheed updates on Fedora

On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 12:00:49 +0200 Michael Schwendt
<mschwendt@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 23:00:52 -0500, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have been wondering about the lack of updates for sylpheed on Fedora.
> > Neither the stable 3.2 nor the new develomental 3.3.1 has been provided:
> > I looked up Bugzilla requests but they seem not to have been fulfilled.
> > Is sylpheed on the road to becoming an orphan in Fefora?
>
> A package in the Fedora collection is maintained by at least one person.
> It can happen that this person leaves without notice. It can also happen
> that there are co-maintainers, but the multiple maintainers don't
> communicate with eachother. And it can happen that the package "owner"
> owns packages without being active, and co-maintainers expect the owner to
> be more active or drop the package and not pretend that packages are
> being maintained.
>
> http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/sylpheed
> -> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/843901
> -> sylpheed-3.3.0beta1 is available
> -> Reported: 2012-07-27 11:44 EDT by Upstream Release Monitoring
>
> --

Since I don't see how one can compel an owner to inform all when he
leaves (unless done voluntarily), perhaps one way out could be to have
co-maintainers be informed if BZ requests have not been acted (not
necessarily resolved) on for more than a month (pick a reasonable
timeframe)? At the same time, requests could go out for more
co-maintainer (volunteers) if the number of co-maintainers drops
precipitously low?

Best,
Ranjan

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Old 09-06-2012, 07:43 PM
Michael Schwendt
 
Default sylpheed updates on Fedora

On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 08:16:45 -0500, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

> Since I don't see how one can compel an owner to inform all when he
> leaves (unless done voluntarily), perhaps one way out could be to have
> co-maintainers be informed if BZ requests have not been acted (not
> necessarily resolved) on for more than a month (pick a reasonable
> timeframe)?

They should know already. Co-maintainers can choose not to be added to
bugzilla Cc in case they receive too much bugzilla traffic for other
packages. But real co-maintainers would _actively_ monitor and respond
to bugzilla traffic as well as keep an eye on pkg git commit notifications.

In Fedora pkgdb you can see how many maintainers receive bugzilla traffic
for a package. If there are multiple people with "watchbugzilla" access
in pkgdb, but the tickets in bugzilla are not responded to, that may
be reason to be concerned. Consider contributing in such a case.

> At the same time, requests could go out for more
> co-maintainer (volunteers) if the number of co-maintainers drops
> precipitously low?

Difficult to answer. Some package owners don't like to have co-maintainers.
They fear a package might be "taken away" from them or that they lose control
over the package if somebody else is more active.
Hence it better be the opposite, that people with interest in a package
try to get involved sooner and become co-maintainers even in cases where
some "primary maintainer" seems to be active enough. Of course, once you
volunteer, it could happen that a maintainer would happily give away a
package to you and focus on something else.

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Old 09-07-2012, 04:16 AM
Ranjan Maitra
 
Default sylpheed updates on Fedora

There seems to be only one maintainer to whom BZ requests are
submitted:

Itamar Reis Peixoto

Not clear if he is even getting these requests.

Ranjan


On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 21:43:46 +0200 Michael Schwendt
<mschwendt@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 08:16:45 -0500, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
>
> > Since I don't see how one can compel an owner to inform all when he
> > leaves (unless done voluntarily), perhaps one way out could be to have
> > co-maintainers be informed if BZ requests have not been acted (not
> > necessarily resolved) on for more than a month (pick a reasonable
> > timeframe)?
>
> They should know already. Co-maintainers can choose not to be added to
> bugzilla Cc in case they receive too much bugzilla traffic for other
> packages. But real co-maintainers would _actively_ monitor and respond
> to bugzilla traffic as well as keep an eye on pkg git commit notifications.
>
> In Fedora pkgdb you can see how many maintainers receive bugzilla traffic
> for a package. If there are multiple people with "watchbugzilla" access
> in pkgdb, but the tickets in bugzilla are not responded to, that may
> be reason to be concerned. Consider contributing in such a case.
>
> > At the same time, requests could go out for more
> > co-maintainer (volunteers) if the number of co-maintainers drops
> > precipitously low?
>
> Difficult to answer. Some package owners don't like to have co-maintainers.
> They fear a package might be "taken away" from them or that they lose control
> over the package if somebody else is more active.
> Hence it better be the opposite, that people with interest in a package
> try to get involved sooner and become co-maintainers even in cases where
> some "primary maintainer" seems to be active enough. Of course, once you
> volunteer, it could happen that a maintainer would happily give away a
> package to you and focus on something else.
>
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:52 AM
Michael Schwendt
 
Default sylpheed updates on Fedora

On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 23:16:57 -0500, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

> There seems to be only one maintainer to whom BZ requests are
> submitted:
>
> Itamar Reis Peixoto
>
> Not clear if he is even getting these requests.

You must be reading something wrong.
There's a second maintainer who has been the only one to touch the package
for a long time. Check out:

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/sylpheed
and
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=3898

Many other packages would/might benefit from people with interest in the
packaged software.

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