"Microsoft has claimed since 2007 that more than 235 of its patents are
violated by the open source operating system Linux, while critics claim
Redmond has a cynical eye on the project as another source of revenue."
Between the "Android Tax" and this, indemnification licensing appears to
be the only way to protect linux users from themselves.
Oracle Linux Network : $119 per system, per year.
RedHat Desktop : $49 per system, per year (minimum).
RedHat Server : $349 per system, per year (minimum).
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08-01-2012, 04:18 AM
Roger Barraud
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AKA.... Extortion, Racketeering.
On 1/08/2012, at 4:02 PM, Skunk Worx <skunkworx@verizon.net> wrote:
> Uh oh...
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/25/microsoft_patent_deal_amdocs/
>
> "Microsoft has claimed since 2007 that more than 235 of its patents are violated by the open source operating system Linux, while critics claim Redmond has a cynical eye on the project as another source of revenue."
>
> Between the "Android Tax" and this, indemnification licensing appears to be the only way to protect linux users from themselves.
>
> Oracle Linux Network : $119 per system, per year.
> RedHat Desktop : $49 per system, per year (minimum).
> RedHat Server : $349 per system, per year (minimum).
>
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"Microsoft has claimed since 2007 that more than 235 of its patents
are violated by the open source operating system Linux, while critics
claim Redmond has a cynical eye on the project as another source of
revenue."
Between the "Android Tax" and this, indemnification licensing appears
to be the only way to protect linux users from themselves.
Oracle Linux Network : $119 per system, per year.
RedHat Desktop : $49 per system, per year (minimum).
RedHat Server : $349 per system, per year (minimum).
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You have GOT to be KIDDING me! These guys just DON'T QUIT DO
they!?.....I guess we'll have to see how far up the food chain this is
gonna go....(Supreme Court?).
EGO II
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08-01-2012, 03:13 PM
Jack Craig
criminal use of linux
Typical M$ thinking, and within recent history, SCO!!
Litigation, a sure death trap...
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Skunk Worx <skunkworx@verizon.net> wrote:
"Microsoft has claimed since 2007 that more than 235 of its patents are violated by the open source operating system Linux, while critics claim Redmond has a cynical eye on the project as another source of revenue."
Between the "Android Tax" and this, indemnification licensing appears to be the only way to protect linux users from themselves.
Oracle Linux Network : $119 per system, per year.
RedHat Desktop : $49 per system, per year (minimum).
RedHat Server *: $349 per system, per year (minimum).
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08-01-2012, 04:49 PM
Christopher Svanefalk
criminal use of linux
Best,
Christopher Svanefalk
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Jack Craig <jack.craig.aptos@gmail.com> wrote:
Typical M$ thinking, and within recent history, SCO!!
Thing did not go very well for SCO in the end.
Why is this not being brought into a courtroom, rather than companies just paying licenses?
*
Litigation, a sure death trap...
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Skunk Worx <skunkworx@verizon.net> wrote:
"Microsoft has claimed since 2007 that more than 235 of its patents are violated by the open source operating system Linux, while critics claim Redmond has a cynical eye on the project as another source of revenue."
Between the "Android Tax" and this, indemnification licensing appears to be the only way to protect linux users from themselves.
Oracle Linux Network : $119 per system, per year.
RedHat Desktop : $49 per system, per year (minimum).
RedHat Server *: $349 per system, per year (minimum).
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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08-01-2012, 04:54 PM
Digimer
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Microsoft put a lot of money into that legal fight. SCO lost, so
apparently they decided to take another kick at the can, but more
directly this time.
They're using classic FUD to scare people into paying royalties on
software when there is no legal precedent backing MS' claims. They
simply have to tell the client/victim "Hey, we're going to try this in
court. We haven't selected a target yet..." and the company will get the
message.
Legal fights with companies sitting on the kind of cash MS has is a
nearly impossible battle to win, unless you can match them. So this has
nothing to do with facts and more to do with bullying.
Digimer
On 08/01/2012 11:13 AM, Jack Craig wrote:
Typical M$ thinking, and within recent history, SCO!!
Litigation, a sure death trap...
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Skunk Worx <skunkworx@verizon.net
<mailto:skunkworx@verizon.net>> wrote:
"Microsoft has claimed since 2007 that more than 235 of its patents
are violated by the open source operating system Linux, while
critics claim Redmond has a cynical eye on the project as another
source of revenue."
Between the "Android Tax" and this, indemnification licensing
appears to be the only way to protect linux users from themselves.
Oracle Linux Network : $119 per system, per year.
RedHat Desktop : $49 per system, per year (minimum).
RedHat Server : $349 per system, per year (minimum).
---
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08-01-2012, 05:05 PM
Patrick Kobly
criminal use of linux
-----Original message-----
From: Christopher Svanefalk <christopher.svanefalk@gmail.com>
Sent: Wed 01-08-2012 10:48
Subject: Re: criminal use of linux
To: Community support for Fedora users <users@lists.fedoraproject.org>;
> Best,
>
> Christopher Svanefalk
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Jack Craig <jack.craig.aptos@gmail.com
> <mailto:jack.craig.aptos@gmail.com> > wrote:
> Typical M$ thinking, and within recent history, SCO!!
>
> Thing did not go very well for SCO in the end.
>
> Why is this not being brought into a courtroom, rather than companies just
> paying licenses?
It is frequently the case that even a successful defense against a patent lawsuit costs more than licensing a bogus patent.
Furthermore, there is a non-zero probability of losing said lawsuit, with costs that would significantly exceed the costs of a license.
So if w is the cost of a license
p is the probability of losing a lawsuit
z is the probability of a lawsuit even being filed
x is the cost of defending the lawsuit and winning
and y is the cost of defending the lawsuit and losing
if
w < z(py + (1-p)x)
w < z(p(y-x) + x)
Then it makes sense to just settle. Some firms may make a more conservative estimation of p than others. Some firms believe that y and x are quite close, and much larger than w - which means the probability of winning or losing doesn't really matter. Some firms assume z is 1 - a lawsuit is inevitable.
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08-01-2012, 05:10 PM
Frank Cox
criminal use of linux
On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:49:01 +0200
Christopher Svanefalk wrote:
> Why is this not being brought into a courtroom, rather than companies just
> paying licenses?
Cost.
License Fee: $1
Legal cost to fight it in court: $2
Chance of winning in court: < 100% (Note: 99.9999% is still < 100%)
What course of action would be best for your company in this situation like
this?
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08-02-2012, 01:26 AM
"EGO2.1"
criminal use of linux
On 08/01/2012 01:10 PM, Frank Cox
wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:49:01 +0200
Christopher Svanefalk wrote:
Why is this not being brought into a courtroom, rather than companies just
paying licenses?
Cost.
License Fee: $1
Legal cost to fight it in court: $2
Chance of winning in court: < 100% (Note: 99.9999% is still < 100%)
What course of action would be best for your company in this situation like
this?
Somehow I think that a battle like this would have to be "won" by
the Average Joe's (and Jane's) out there who've had enough of
Redmond's asinine tactics. Sometimes it takes the army of ANTS to
completely paralyze and destroy the elephant. I know it's always one
of those "Yeah....but what can I do?....I'm just ONE
person" But if you REALLY consider it...we're a lot stronger in
numbers...and when I see some of the e-mail addresses here....from
places like Sweden...or Russia...and almost every corner of the
world...why CAN'T we stop 'em?.....what're they gonna do come and
slap a license on EVERY machine on the planet running Fedora?...or
for that matter running ANY version of Linux?...highly unlikely. And
it's not like we have to walk around with batons or guns....just a
simple "shedding of light" on Microsoft's tactics could get this so
far in front of the spotlight that they'd be shamed into
retreating....it may sound silly but it's better than cowering in a
corder and cursing the day they were born!....just my opinion!...
EGO II
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08-02-2012, 02:44 AM
Joe Wulf
criminal use of linux
Correct... Micro$loth has never passed up an opportunity to bully.
From: Digimer <lists@alteeve.ca>
To: Community support for Fedora users <users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: criminal use of
linux
<snip>
Legal fights with companies sitting on the kind of cash MS has is a
nearly impossible battle to win, unless you can match them. So this has
nothing to do with facts and more to do with bullying.
Digimer
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