On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Heinz Diehl <htd@fritha.org> wrote:
> On 21.07.2012, sguazt wrote:
>
>> On my system, the boot phase takes only approximately 28 seconds but
>> both the reboot and shutdown phase take approximately 1 minute and 10
>> seconds.
>
> I bet it's systemd which causes the long shutdown. In my case, it
> hangs the shutdown/reboot for several minutes with several timeouts in
> about 20% of all shutdowns/reboots. This wasn't any issue with
> F15/F16 and came with F17. Didn't manage to track it down and will
> file a bug report soon..
Thank you.
Let me know when you have filed the bug so that I add myself to the CC's
Cheers,
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07-25-2012, 08:35 AM
Reindl Harald
F17 takes so long to reboot/poweroff
Am 24.07.2012 19:39, schrieb Richard Vickery:
> Why do you need to reboot? What are you doing at power-off that you need to hang around and wait for it? If a
> portable computer, just close it, pack it away before the lights go out, and walk away? and is a minute and 38
> seconds really SO important? If this minuscule amount time is so important, you could retire and get more of your
> minute and a half.
strange argumentation
it does not matter WHY someone reboots a machine
nor is not reboot a solution for any problem
rebooting a remote-machine after updates which is not
important enough to set up remote KVM as example is
not funny if you have to wait a long time without feedback
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>
> I'm not convinced that boot up time is irrelevant. Maybe for some use
> cases it isn't but for other it is very important that your system boots
> as quick as possible. Besides, why should I (poor computer user) waste
> my time waiting while my system is performing internal tasks such as
> start up and shutdown? In a perfect world there are no such things as
> boot up/shutdown, you just touch the muse or press a key or open up a
> lid in your notebook and the system is there ready for you. Wasn't this
> the reason why computing has evolved in last 40 years?
>
>
> Mateusz Marzantowicz
In not so perfect world:
When i start my car, i'm waiting until all test are performed and
red lights are turning off.
BR, Bob
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I'm not convinced that boot up time is irrelevant. Maybe for some use
cases it isn't but for other it is very important that your system boots
as quick as possible. Besides, why should I (poor computer user) waste
my time waiting while my system is performing internal tasks such as
start up and shutdown? In a perfect world there are no such things as
boot up/shutdown, you just touch the muse or press a key or open up a
lid in your notebook and the system is there ready for you. Wasn't this
the reason why computing has evolved in last 40 years?
Mateusz Marzantowicz
In not so perfect world:
When i start my car, i'm waiting until all test are performed and
red lights are turning off.
BR, Bob
I would think that the speed with which a system starts up / shuts down
would be dependent upon what the machine was built to do. If you've got
a computer that's being used in a corporate environment, it might make
it more efficient, help the "core values" of the business and just be a
machine easier to administer if it's got a quick startup/shutdown time.
On the other hand if its just for personal use, and depending on if
you're running some application that is critical to you, then the times
might not be as important as actually having the applications and the
programs on the computer working. Just my 2 cents.
EGO II
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07-25-2012, 04:10 PM
Richard Vickery
F17 takes so long to reboot/poweroff
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:35 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@thelounge.net> wrote:
Am 24.07.2012 19:39, schrieb Richard Vickery:
> Why do you need to reboot? What are you doing at power-off that you need to hang around and wait for it? If a
> portable computer, just close it, pack it away before the lights go out, and walk away? and is a minute and 38
> seconds really SO important? If this minuscule amount time is so important, you could retire and get more of your
> minute and a half.
strange argumentation
it does not matter WHY someone reboots a machine
nor is not reboot a solution for any problem
rebooting a remote-machine after updates which is not
important enough to set up remote KVM as example is
not funny if you have to wait a long time without feedback
My point here is taken out of out of its context: it was not rebooting I was concerned about, but that the world is not going to end in a minute and a half. Included in my concern were many things: one was to get someone with more knowledge than I to help this gentleman - I have stated before that I am a political scientist, not a real one (sorry if I offend any other political scientists here, that is not my purpose); another concern is that when I used MS stuff, I was concerned and fearful about a longer wait periods because of their crashing occurrences, and in Linux waiting is no big deal because Linux does what it is supposed to do versus MS Windows which teaches an individual to freak out when the computer does something like that in question; another concern is that I am, and cannot un-become over-night, nor would I want to, a qigong master who doesn't worry about time - and this is why mine is, as Harald says, a "strange argument"; everything the qigong practitioner is, is strange to those who don't practice.
Best regards,
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07-25-2012, 05:48 PM
Rick Stevens
F17 takes so long to reboot/poweroff
On 07/25/2012 12:39 AM, sguazt issued this missive::
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Richard Vickery
<richard.vickeryrv@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Richard Vickery
<richard.vickeryrv@gmail.com> wrote:
[cut]
If you really need it to boot up faster, it is possible to go into /boot and
stop grub from calling up as many things, but it is inadvisable; you could
end up screwing things badly enough that the computer will not boot into the
current installation anymore.
Boot time is rather OK. It's the shutdown/reboot time that IMO is too long.
In the timing I reported the shutdown/reboot time refers to the time
when I issue the poweroff/reboot command and the system turns off or
shows the first "BIOS" screen (the one that appears before GRUB)
So, for instance, in case of a reboot you have to wait more than 2 min, that is:
- 1min and 40sec to let the system power off
- 30 sec to let the system boot
Marco,
Check your session and make sure you don't have more than one credential
store running in your desktop. That can keep the desktop from shutting
down in a timely manner. I had that issue (XFCE, F16) and turning off
the extra credential store things (that were redundant) fixed the
problem. You really only need the Gnome keyring stuff running, disable
the others if they're running.
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07-25-2012, 07:24 PM
sguazt
F17 takes so long to reboot/poweroff
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Rick Stevens <ricks@alldigital.com> wrote:
[cut[
>
> Marco,
>
> Check your session and make sure you don't have more than one credential
> store running in your desktop. That can keep the desktop from shutting
> down in a timely manner. I had that issue (XFCE, F16) and turning off
> the extra credential store things (that were redundant) fixed the
> problem. You really only need the Gnome keyring stuff running, disable
> the others if they're running.
>
Hi Rick,
Thank you for the hint.
I run Openbox as window manager (without gnome and LXDE) and
gnome-settings-daemon to bring some Gnome features to my desktop.
If you have an idea on how to check for multiple stores, please tell me.
For now, I simply run a "ps faxuw" command and it seems that the only
key store is gnome-keyring.
The (stripped) output is the following (sorry...it's very loooong):
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07-25-2012, 11:24 PM
Rick Stevens
F17 takes so long to reboot/poweroff
On 07/25/2012 12:24 PM, sguazt issued this missive::
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Rick Stevens <ricks@alldigital.com> wrote:
[cut[
Marco,
Check your session and make sure you don't have more than one credential
store running in your desktop. That can keep the desktop from shutting
down in a timely manner. I had that issue (XFCE, F16) and turning off
the extra credential store things (that were redundant) fixed the
problem. You really only need the Gnome keyring stuff running, disable
the others if they're running.
Hi Rick,
Thank you for the hint.
I run Openbox as window manager (without gnome and LXDE) and
gnome-settings-daemon to bring some Gnome features to my desktop.
If you have an idea on how to check for multiple stores, please tell me.
For now, I simply run a "ps faxuw" command and it seems that the only
key store is gnome-keyring.
The (stripped) output is the following (sorry...it's very loooong):
I don't run the same desktop as you do and I'm not 100% sure the
keyring stuff all shows up in ps outputs as some of it are parts
of other daemons, but I did notice a difference in the
gnome-keyring-daemon. Mine looks like:
/usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --daemonize --login
The difference may be between the Openbox and XFCE desktops, however
the "--foreground" bit may be what's blocking the logout/shutdown.
You could stop that daemon, then try the shutdown and see if things
speed up. That's just a wild-*ssed guess, mind you. Your mileage may
vary, batteries not included, etc. etc.
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07-26-2012, 10:50 AM
Emilio Lopez
F17 takes so long to reboot/poweroff
> Hello,
>
> On my system, the boot phase takes only approximately 28 seconds but
> both the reboot and shutdown phase take approximately 1 minute and 10
> seconds.
>
> This did not happen with F16.
I think this is not normal. In my case, F16 spend less than half time
shutting down than F15 in the same computer. You can try enabling the
log display to see what is spending so much time. This can be done
editing grub2.conf and removing rhgb quiet params.
Emilio.
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07-27-2012, 07:23 AM
sguazt
F17 takes so long to reboot/poweroff
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Rick Stevens <ricks@alldigital.com> wrote:
[cut]
>
> I don't run the same desktop as you do and I'm not 100% sure the
> keyring stuff all shows up in ps outputs as some of it are parts
> of other daemons, but I did notice a difference in the gnome-keyring-daemon.
> Mine looks like:
>
> /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --daemonize --login
>
> The difference may be between the Openbox and XFCE desktops, however
> the "--foreground" bit may be what's blocking the logout/shutdown.
>
> You could stop that daemon, then try the shutdown and see if things
> speed up. That's just a wild-*ssed guess, mind you. Your mileage may
> vary, batteries not included, etc. etc.
>
Hi Rick,
I've tried to kill both to "incriminated" gnome-keyring-daemon process
and all the two gnome-keyring-process but things are not changed.
Next time I'll try with the hint proposed by Emilio.
Thank you very much
Cheers,
-- Marco
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