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Old 07-15-2012, 08:37 AM
Ed Greshko
 
Default gdm lacks language & kbd layout selection

On 07/15/2012 04:05 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
> It seems as gdm login screen now in F16/F17 not offer language and
> keyboard layout selection, thus my question:
>
> - It is possible somewhere in configuration turn on this offer?
>
> - when not, which login manager is able do it? (I switched to Xfce
> from F14, thus preferably some one appropriate for this DE)

kdm doesn't either..... I don't know if others offer it....but I gave up on it
anyway since font and font size settings weren't always optimal switching between
English, Chinese, Japanese, and Korean. As well as other things....

So, I just ended up making different logins for each one and setting the LANG in the
.bashrc accordingly. Then setting up shared directories. Things are much easier now
too that Chrome and Firefox have "sync".


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Old 07-15-2012, 10:24 AM
Frantisek Hanzlik
 
Default gdm lacks language & kbd layout selection

Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 07/15/2012 04:05 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
>> It seems as gdm login screen now in F16/F17 not offer language and
>> keyboard layout selection, thus my question:
>>
>> - It is possible somewhere in configuration turn on this offer?
>>
>> - when not, which login manager is able do it? (I switched to Xfce
>> from F14, thus preferably some one appropriate for this DE)
>
> kdm doesn't either..... I don't know if others offer it....but I gave up on it
> anyway since font and font size settings weren't always optimal switching between
> English, Chinese, Japanese, and Korean. As well as other things....
>
> So, I just ended up making different logins for each one and setting the LANG in the
> .bashrc accordingly. Then setting up shared directories. Things are much easier now
> too that Chrome and Firefox have "sync".

I would use two case: multiple users on one machine want different
languages; and one user want occasionally use session with different
language from it's main. In both cases in way for people without any
computer skills . Fortunately contrary to You all languages are
those using ISO8859-1/-2 charsets (maybe rarely cyrillic alphabet).

What You mean with "shared directories"? They are homes "Desktop" /
"Music" / "Downloads" / "Movies" /... ? If yes, then I have no problem
with it, they can stay in English for all.
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Old 07-15-2012, 11:48 AM
Ed Greshko
 
Default gdm lacks language & kbd layout selection

On 07/15/2012 06:24 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
> I would use two case: multiple users on one machine want different
> languages; and one user want occasionally use session with different
> language from it's main. In both cases in way for people without any
> computer skills . Fortunately contrary to You all languages are
> those using ISO8859-1/-2 charsets (maybe rarely cyrillic alphabet).

You didn't mention what desktop you are using.....

For GNOME, which I don't use, it is very easy for a person to select which LANG they
want to operate in. All they do is go to "System Settings--->Region&Language" and
set their language for their next and subsequent logins.

For the person using a different language than their main one...they just have to
remember to do it on logout.

Yes, you probably won't see the font problems that I have..... :-)

KDE has a similar method..... The "problem" that I found with KDE is that while it
does change all the display settings and such it doesn't change the locale. It
remains as the system locale....so messages in bash will stay in the system locale.

Also, if you use GNOME and change languages the next time you login it will ask you
if you want to change the names of Downloads, Music, Public, etc. to match the new
language. Not a big deal.

>
> What You mean with "shared directories"? They are homes "Desktop" /
> "Music" / "Downloads" / "Movies" /... ? If yes, then I have no problem
> with it, they can stay in English for all.

Well, since the system I'm talking about it mine and only has one "real" user I
replace my Downloads, Music directories with links to the one account that I always
want reference and make those other logins part of the "main" group.

But, since you don't have the same problem as I do....then you won't have to worry
about that.





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Old 07-15-2012, 12:38 PM
Frantisek Hanzlik
 
Default gdm lacks language & kbd layout selection

Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 07/15/2012 06:24 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
>> I would use two case: multiple users on one machine want different
>> languages; and one user want occasionally use session with different
>> language from it's main. In both cases in way for people without any
>> computer skills . Fortunately contrary to You all languages are
>> those using ISO8859-1/-2 charsets (maybe rarely cyrillic alphabet).
>
> You didn't mention what desktop you are using.....

As I wrote in first mail, I'm now using Xfce (in F14- I was Gnome user).

> For GNOME, which I don't use, it is very easy for a person to select which LANG they
> want to operate in. All they do is go to "System Settings--->Region&Language" and
> set their language for their next and subsequent logins.
>
> For the person using a different language than their main one...they just have to
> remember to do it on logout.

Eh, int indeed! That is return back to windos era
And after some time anaconda/firstboot will say to us: "Now You must
select Your language. It cannot be newer changed afterwards"

And it is useles when to one machine are simultaneously connected
multiple users with different language demands.

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Old 07-15-2012, 01:41 PM
Ed Greshko
 
Default gdm lacks language & kbd layout selection

On 07/15/2012 08:38 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
> Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 07/15/2012 06:24 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
>>> I would use two case: multiple users on one machine want different
>>> languages; and one user want occasionally use session with different
>>> language from it's main. In both cases in way for people without any
>>> computer skills . Fortunately contrary to You all languages are
>>> those using ISO8859-1/-2 charsets (maybe rarely cyrillic alphabet).
>> You didn't mention what desktop you are using.....
> As I wrote in first mail, I'm now using Xfce (in F14- I was Gnome user).

Ah, yes. So, you did....

I don't know much about Xfce and how it switches language display. I just tried a
quick test by modifying the LANG environment variable. No effect. Doing that with
KDE or GNOME is enough to have them change the GUI language.

>> For GNOME, which I don't use, it is very easy for a person to select which LANG they
>> want to operate in. All they do is go to "System Settings--->Region&Language" and
>> set their language for their next and subsequent logins.
>>
>> For the person using a different language than their main one...they just have to
>> remember to do it on logout.
> Eh, int indeed! That is return back to windos era
> And after some time anaconda/firstboot will say to us: "Now You must
> select Your language. It cannot be newer changed afterwards"

Well, at least you can switch back and forth with relative ease in KDE and GNOME. I
really don't expect that to change.

>
> And it is useles when to one machine are simultaneously connected
> multiple users with different language demands.
>
Not sure I know what you mean by "simultaneously connected".


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Old 07-15-2012, 07:22 PM
Frantisek Hanzlik
 
Default gdm lacks language & kbd layout selection

Frank Murphy wrote:
> On 15/07/12 09:05, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
>> It seems as gdm login screen now in F16/F17 not offer language and
>> keyboard layout selection, thus my question:
>>
>> - It is possible somewhere in configuration turn on this offer?
>>
>> - when not, which login manager is able do it? (I switched to Xfce
>> from F14, thus preferably some one appropriate for this DE)
>>
>> Thanks, Franta
>>
>
> You can try lxdm or lightdm

Hello Frank,
thanks for You recommendations. I heard about lxdm before; lightdm is
quite challenge for me (and it seem it is newly packaged in Fedora).
I tried both, and as both satisfy my needs, I can little explain it
here (lxdm-0.4.1-1.fc17 and lightdm-1.2.2-15.fc17 on i686):

1) lxdm
- instal: yum -y install lxdm

- activate: create "/etc/sysconfig/desktop" with one line
DISPLAYMANAGER="/usr/sbin/lxdm"

- configure: either edit configuration files, or there is simple
graphical configuration tool: lxdm-config
It isn't nothing as comfortable as was gdm-config of blessed memory
in original gdm from George Lebl, but it did work for me

Note: lxdm offers both language selection (it work) and also keyboard
layout selection (weird - it display pulldown menu, but its items are
blank). But language selection is enough for me.

2) lightdm
- install: yum -y install lightdm-gtk

. activate: create "/etc/sysconfig/desktop" with one line
DISPLAYMANAGER="/usr/sbin/lightdm"

- configure: edit configuration files in "/etc/lightdm/".
Particularly I add two lines to "lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf":
show-language-selector=true
font-name=DejaVu Serif 12

Notes:
+ I had some problems due to lightdm packaging bug
(https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=840302
+ lot of useful information I found at URL
http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/lightdm
+ lightdm, although new, seems be very powerfull. I will test it now
more closely. Fedora 17 has version 1.2.2, but it seems as latest
version is 1.3.2 - maybe it contains further interesting features.

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Old 07-15-2012, 07:32 PM
Frantisek Hanzlik
 
Default gdm lacks language & kbd layout selection

Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
...
> Notes:
> + I had some problems due to lightdm packaging bug
> (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=840302

Quite famous: this bug was already fixed now! Excellent work!
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Old 07-15-2012, 08:22 PM
Frantisek Hanzlik
 
Default gdm lacks language & kbd layout selection

Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 07/15/2012 08:38 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
>> Ed Greshko wrote:
>>> On 07/15/2012 06:24 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
>>>> I would use two case: multiple users on one machine want different
>>>> languages; and one user want occasionally use session with different
>>>> language from it's main. In both cases in way for people without any
>>>> computer skills . Fortunately contrary to You all languages are
>>>> those using ISO8859-1/-2 charsets (maybe rarely cyrillic alphabet).
>>> You didn't mention what desktop you are using.....
>> As I wrote in first mail, I'm now using Xfce (in F14- I was Gnome user).
>
> Ah, yes. So, you did....
>
> I don't know much about Xfce and how it switches language display. I just tried a
> quick test by modifying the LANG environment variable. No effect. Doing that with
> KDE or GNOME is enough to have them change the GUI language.
>
>>> For GNOME, which I don't use, it is very easy for a person to select which LANG they
>>> want to operate in. All they do is go to "System Settings--->Region&Language" and
>>> set their language for their next and subsequent logins.
>>>
>>> For the person using a different language than their main one...they just have to
>>> remember to do it on logout.
>> Eh, int indeed! That is return back to windos era
>> And after some time anaconda/firstboot will say to us: "Now You must
>> select Your language. It cannot be newer changed afterwards"
>
> Well, at least you can switch back and forth with relative ease in KDE and GNOME. I
> really don't expect that to change.
>
>>
>> And it is useles when to one machine are simultaneously connected
>> multiple users with different language demands.
>>
> Not sure I know what you mean by "simultaneously connected".

I can have in one time connected more than one user with its own graphical
sessions (XDMCP, RDP, X forwarded via SSH, VNC, ... connections. Or local,
I remember one SCO Unix i386 machine with special card on which was four
graphics, four keyboard and four mice controllers .
Sorry for my bad English.
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Old 07-15-2012, 11:37 PM
Ed Greshko
 
Default gdm lacks language & kbd layout selection

On 07/16/2012 04:22 AM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
>> Not sure I know what you mean by "simultaneously connected".
> I can have in one time connected more than one user with its own graphical
> sessions (XDMCP, RDP, X forwarded via SSH, VNC, ... connections. Or local,
> I remember one SCO Unix i386 machine with special card on which was four
> graphics, four keyboard and four mice controllers .

Oh, OK. I just got a bit confused since the question was about gdm and those
connections don't involve gdm.


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