How to use wine without get mono (44Mb of wine-mono)?

Today I check update and I see this:

> Installing for dependencies:
> wine-filesystem noarch 1.5.8-1.fc17 updates 68 k
> wine-mono noarch 0.0.4-7.fc17 updates 44 M

I do not want MONO!
I do not use MONO (the MS's trojan horse) on my PCs and Servers, then,
I'm sorry: while this dependence exist I cannot update Wine.

(IMHO: It's time to stop this drift to MS, (UEFI, mono, ecc.), it's time
to live without MS. It's possible: just want it and do it.)

How to, and with who I can work, eliminate this dependency?

Temporarily I have update my f17 with this command:

% sudo yum update --exclude wine* --skip-broken

There is some other suggestions rather than "yum remove wine" to solve
this issue ?

Many thanks

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On 11.07.2012 11:57, Dario Lesca wrote:
> How to use wine without get mono (44Mb of wine-mono)?
>
> Today I check update and I see this:
>
>> Installing for dependencies:
>> wine-filesystem noarch 1.5.8-1.fc17 updates 68 k
>> wine-mono noarch 0.0.4-7.fc17 updates 44 M
> I do not want MONO!
> I do not use MONO (the MS's trojan horse) on my PCs and Servers, then,
> I'm sorry: while this dependence exist I cannot update Wine.
>

Try to be more pragmatic not religious and hypocritical when talking
about software. Why are you using Wine in the first place if you hate M$
trojans so much? Maybe to emulate M$ trojan environment to run evil
Windows apps? So you condemn Mono but have no problem in running other
Windows software?


Mateusz Marzantowicz
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Am 11.07.2012 12:08, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz:
> On 11.07.2012 11:57, Dario Lesca wrote:
>> How to use wine without get mono (44Mb of wine-mono)?
>>
>> Today I check update and I see this:
>>
>>> Installing for dependencies:
>>> wine-filesystem noarch 1.5.8-1.fc17 updates 68 k
>>> wine-mono noarch 0.0.4-7.fc17 updates 44 M
>> I do not want MONO!
>> I do not use MONO (the MS's trojan horse) on my PCs and Servers, then,
>> I'm sorry: while this dependence exist I cannot update Wine.
>>
> Try to be more pragmatic not religious and hypocritical when talking
> about software. Why are you using Wine in the first place if you hate M$
> trojans so much? Maybe to emulate M$ trojan environment to run evil
> Windows apps? So you condemn Mono but have no problem in running other
> Windows software?

that is NOT the point

look at how large mono with it deps is!
there are people trying to hold there systems tiny

/dev/md1 ext4 30G 7,0G 23G 24% /

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On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Mateusz Marzantowicz
<mmarzantowicz@osdf.com.pl> wrote:
> So you condemn Mono but have no problem in running other
> Windows software?

At least WINE is used to run Windows apps, it doesn´t claim to be an
independent framework to create and run cross-platform apps following
a MSFT spec...

FC
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On 11.07.2012 12:18, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Mateusz Marzantowicz
> <mmarzantowicz@osdf.com.pl> wrote:
>> So you condemn Mono but have no problem in running other
>> Windows software?
> At least WINE is used to run Windows apps, it doesn´t claim to be an
> independent framework to create and run cross-platform apps following
> a MSFT spec...
>
> FC

What is the difference and what is wrong in being cross-platform? Java,
GTK+ and Qt also claim to be cross-platform but no one seems to raise
that against them.

Some people pretend to be great warriors of software purity but lack
basic consistency in their war.


Mateusz Marzantowicz

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On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Mateusz Marzantowicz
<mmarzantowicz@osdf.com.pl> wrote:
> What is the difference and what is wrong in being cross-platform?

There is nothing wrong with being cross-platform.
You must have misread, or misunderstood what I tried to say.

I said that WINE is useful for running Windows apps that might not be
available on Linux.

I also said that WINE serves that niche, but doesn´t try to "infect"
Linux apps (ie Mono hooks in Gnome).

FC
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On 11.07.2012 13:24, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Mateusz Marzantowicz
> <mmarzantowicz@osdf.com.pl> wrote:
>> What is the difference and what is wrong in being cross-platform?
> There is nothing wrong with being cross-platform.
> You must have misread, or misunderstood what I tried to say.
>
> I said that WINE is useful for running Windows apps that might not be
> available on Linux.
>
> I also said that WINE serves that niche, but doesn´t try to "infect"
> Linux apps (ie Mono hooks in Gnome).
>
> FC

Could you please explain what do you mean by: "infecting" Linux apps? Do
you refer to using C# for programming? If so, what is wrong in that?
Couldn't developers choose the language they want? Are we saying that C#
is bad only because it was designed by Microsoft? This way any other
language can be blamed because of something. What real programming
problem is solved by going into this language discrimination? Can I say
that Java is infecting Linux apps because it's now influenced by Oracle?


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Il giorno mer, 11/07/2012 alle 12.08 +0200, Mateusz Marzantowicz ha
scritto:

> Try to be more pragmatic not religious and hypocritical when talking
> about software. Why are you using Wine in the first place if you hate M$
> trojans so much? Maybe to emulate M$ trojan environment to run evil
> Windows apps? So you condemn Mono but have no problem in running other
> Windows software?

Thanks Mateusz for your correct reply to my "hypocritical" question.

In fact I do not use wine, is a package that I installed but never used.

Lately I've had no need to run MS apps with wine, and often times I've
tried this, the MS apps do not working properly.

My problem comes from the fact that I had inserted in yum.conf
"exclude=*mono*", and today the yum update does not work anymore.

So, as you suggest, the solution for me is very simple: "yum remove
wine".

The new question now is: how to remove also all wine dependence (some a
lot of i386 library)? there is a yum's flags or options for do this?

Thanks and sorry if I gave the impression to want start a religion's
war.

Regards

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On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Dario Lesca <d.lesca@solinos.it> wrote:
> The new question now is: how to remove also all wine dependence (some a
> lot of i386 library)? there is a yum's flags or options for do this?

There's no "good" answer here, but in the yum-utils package there is
package-cleanup which has many options but I think the one you're
looking for is

package-cleanup --leaves

This will list all packages that are not required by any other
package. Be careful though... You may not want to remove EVERYTHING
that it finds, but it should find all the i686 packages you don't
need.

Richard
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Dario Lesca wrote:
> How to, and with who I can work, eliminate this dependency?

Your opinions should be brought up on the wine mailing lists. This is
not the appropriate place to discuss this.

Even if you do not install wine-mono, wine will attempt to download a
copy from the Internet similar to wine-gecko.

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