On 11.07.2012 14:24, Dario Lesca wrote:
> Il giorno mer, 11/07/2012 alle 12.08 +0200, Mateusz Marzantowicz ha
> scritto:
>
>> Try to be more pragmatic not religious and hypocritical when talking
>> about software. Why are you using Wine in the first place if you hate M$
>> trojans so much? Maybe to emulate M$ trojan environment to run evil
>> Windows apps? So you condemn Mono but have no problem in running other
>> Windows software?
> Thanks Mateusz for your correct reply to my "hypocritical" question.
>
> In fact I do not use wine, is a package that I installed but never used.
>
> Lately I've had no need to run MS apps with wine, and often times I've
> tried this, the MS apps do not working properly.
>
> My problem comes from the fact that I had inserted in yum.conf
> "exclude=*mono*", and today the yum update does not work anymore.
>
> So, as you suggest, the solution for me is very simple: "yum remove
> wine".
>
> The new question now is: how to remove also all wine dependence (some a
> lot of i386 library)? there is a yum's flags or options for do this?
>
> Thanks and sorry if I gave the impression to want start a religion's
> war.
>
> Regards
>
I meant no offense.

I just misunderstood the "troian horse" part of your post. Personally I
don't consider authorized system package to be a troian horse.

To see what packages are left on your system you can type:
package-cleanup --orphans. I think you can combine this command with
yum: yum remove $( package-cleanup --orphans ). There is first line of
output from package-cleanup which will cause some errors but you can
ignore them.


Mateusz Marzantowicz

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On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Mateusz Marzantowicz
<mmarzantowicz@osdf.com.pl> wrote:
> To see what packages are left on your system you can type:
> package-cleanup --orphans. I think you can combine this command with
> yum: yum remove $( package-cleanup --orphans ). There is first line of
> output from package-cleanup which will cause some errors but you can
> ignore them.

No, --orphans only lists packages that are not found in an active
repository. Since the old wine dependencies are in the repositories
they will not be listed. You need --leaves as I previously mentioned.

Thanks,
Richard
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Il giorno mer, 11/07/2012 alle 09.10 -0500, Richard Shaw ha scritto:
> No, --orphans only lists packages that are not found in an active
> repository. Since the old wine dependencies are in the repositories
> they will not be listed. You need --leaves as I previously mentioned.

Ok, thanks to all.

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Il giorno 11/lug/2012, alle ore 16:20, Dario Lesca <d.lesca@solinos.it> ha scritto:

> Il giorno mer, 11/07/2012 alle 09.10 -0500, Richard Shaw ha scritto:
>> No, --orphans only lists packages that are not found in an active
>> repository. Since the old wine dependencies are in the repositories
>> they will not be listed. You need --leaves as I previously mentioned.
>
> Ok, thanks to all.
>
>>
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On 11 July 2012 12:24, Fernando Cassia <fcassia@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Mateusz Marzantowicz
> <mmarzantowicz@osdf.com.pl> wrote:
>> What is the difference and what is wrong in being cross-platform?
>
> There is nothing wrong with being cross-platform.
> You must have misread, or misunderstood what I tried to say.
>
> I said that WINE is useful for running Windows apps that might not be
> available on Linux.
>
> I also said that WINE serves that niche, but doesn´t try to "infect"
> Linux apps (ie Mono hooks in Gnome).
>

I think you keep misunderstanding the provision of language bindings.
This is a bit like saying Python or Perl are trying to infect gnome
because they have bindings.

Major mono apps in Gnome:
F-spot - deprecated for Shotwell.
Tomboy - gone
Beagle - dead

Mono provision in Wine is a different matter altogether, that's using
Mono (open source) to provide a replacement .Net (closed source)
runtime for windows applications as part of the functionality of Wine.
There you may as well say their replacements for MFC are trying to
infect linux. MS may well have wanted to push Mono in an attempt to
gain a bit of control over the Linux sector, but if they did then that
attempt failed several years ago.

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Dario Lesca wrote:
> How to use wine without get mono (44Mb of wine-mono)?

$ repoquery --whatrequires wine-mono
wine-0:1.5.8-1.fc17.i686
wine-0:1.5.8-1.fc17.x86_64

So the only packages in the repo that require wine-mono are the “wine�
packages themselves.

But yum info wine says:
In Fedora wine is a meta-package which will install everything
needed for wine to work smoothly. Smaller setups can be achieved by
installing some of the wine-* sub packages.

In other words, you should be able to remove just the wine package, keep
everything else, and yum won’t pull in wine-mono.

Hope this helps,

James.

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It is important to read other posts in the thread prior to posting.

James Wilkinson wrote:
> In other words, you should be able to remove just the wine package, keep
> everything else, and yum won’t pull in wine-mono.

Mono will be automatically downloaded by wine if you uninstall wine-mono
as stated in my previous reply to the OP. You cannot avoid having Mono
on your system with Wine.

Again, any complaints should be forwarded to the Wine mailing list.

http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-users
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Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Mono will be automatically downloaded by wine if you uninstall wine-mono
> as stated in my previous reply to the OP. You cannot avoid having Mono
> on your system with Wine.

I’m sorry, I don’t think you are correct. A quick Google gave me
http://wiki.winehq.org/Mono, which says:
I’m expecting that Wine 1.5.6 will install Wine Mono automatically
as needed. It will search for the MSI in the following locations:

* The Unix directory stored in the “MonoCabDir� value at
HKCUSoftwareWineDotnet.
* /usr/share/wine/mono, or possibly some substitution for /usr
if Wine was installed to a different location.
* wine_build_directory/../mono, if Wine is being run from
a build tree.

* Download from http://source.winehq.org/winemono.php?v=0.0.4

Note that “as needed�. If you don’t run any .NET applications, then this
document implies that yes, it is quite possible not to have Mono on your
system with Wine.

So I tried it. I installed wine-core.i686, wine-wow.i686, and ran the
Windows Firefox installer. It prompted me:
Wine cannot find a Mono package which is needed for .NET
applications to work correctly. Wine can automatically download and
install it for you.

Note: it is recommended to use your distribution’s packages instead.
See http://wiki.winehq.org/Mono for detail
and gave me “Cancel� and “Install� buttons.

Clicking “Cancel� got me to a similar Gecko prompt. Clicking Cancel to
that started the Firefox installer (instantly: no pauses for downloads),
and if it *has* downloaded Mono, I’ve no idea where it put it.

James.

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