On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Lee <ny6p01@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Oss are usually designed with a particular end user in mind. Your experience
> is a testament to that. You should use imho whichever OS seems most
> comfortable. That is the reason multiple OSs exist: to give people a choice
> to run whichever one seems most suitable to them.
>
> I, personally prefer Linux (any flavor) to Windows, but I am not evangelical
> on the subject. I recognize there is room for multiple povs.
>
Thanks to those who have responded with helpful suggestions or advice.
To those who spend their lives heaping abuse on others on the
Internet, perhaps this outlet for your aggression will prevent some
manifestation where you can actually harm someone.

I have actually already had instances of Ubuntu running, because it
supports a relatively important software package that Fedora does not.
I can, of course, always get the tarball and compile for Fedora, but
it's a big package, and my experience has been that there is almost
always a gotcha.

My Ubuntu machines found the NetBIOS network and joined it without any
intervention on my part, but it took me years to become competent with
Samba on Red Hat/Fedora. For those who wish to claim that there is no
difference between the two OS's as to Windows-friendliness, I beg to
differ.

I know people who go WAY back in this business. The people I mostly
know build or design hardware or use computers for technical
applications. Many of them would say and have said similar things as
I have said about the masters of the universe who control what
"lusers" see.

To those here who are both competent and human, you have my entire
sympathies, as there appear to be those who are either not both or who
are perhaps neither. I will probably keep instances of Fedora running
and I will probably continue futzing around with trying to find a real
bare-metal solution that isn't a commercial ripoff.

Robert Myers
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Robert Myers wrote:

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Fernando Cassia <fcassia@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Robert Myers <rbmyersusa@gmail.com> wrote:

I am anticipating that I will be able to do that in Ubuntu but not in
Fedora, and conversations in Ubuntu forums indicates that my exact hardware
should work just fine.


I fail to grasp what would be so fundamentally different between
Ubuntu and Fedora with regards to virtualization and flash support.


There is no fundamental difference that I know of between Ubuntu and
Fedora with regard to virtualization.

With regard to flash support, Ubuntu supports it more or less
transparently and, if you want to use it on Fedora, you can spend the
rest of your life on forums like this one. You don't really want me
here forever, do you?

If you want a distro which does just about everything you want, go Mint. It has
closed source drivers and apps, and vendor drivers. It supports all of the
codecs, protocols, and rip-offs which Fedora can't because it obeys the law,
stays open source, and avoids legal issues. If you think that's a bad thing, go
elsewhere. You have almost completed your metamorphosis from contributor and
explorer to "just user" and are passing through the troll stage. As the vestiges
of the urge to _understand_ rather than _use_ atrophies, we will no longer have
to watch your deterioration, and you will lose the urge to tell us how nice it
is to just use what someone tells you you need.



The difference between Fedora and Ubuntu that really matters, and if
you don't want to hear it, just stop reading my posts, is that the
people who use Ubuntu are generally more like the people who use
Windows and Canonical knows it and caters to them. Red Hat (along
with Fedora and its manifestly snotty community) turns up its nose at
such users. It doesn't want them.

You are posting in the wrong place for the problems you are having, you have
gotten pointers to better places, and you stay here sadly repeating "no one here
cares..." People are saying "ask over here" and you are hearing "we don't care."


Anyway thanks for being who you used to be, but you don't seem to be any more.


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On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com> wrote:

> You are posting in the wrong place for the problems you are having, you have
> gotten pointers to better places, and you stay here sadly repeating "no one
> here cares..." People are saying "ask over here" and you are hearing "we
> don't care."
>
> Anyway thanks for being who you used to be, but you don't seem to be any
> more.
>

Actually, Bill, we have met before,... many times. You as smug and as
rude as ever. Do people who use computers get so little real human
interaction with humans that they have no clue as to how to act like
one?

Thank you for the suggestion on mint.

Robert Myers.
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On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 16:09 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> I fail to grasp what would be so fundamentally different between
> Ubuntu and Fedora with regards to virtualization and flash support.

Ubuntu has Debian origins, Fedora has Red Hat. They do some things in
substantially different ways, other things in fairly similar ways. They
are quite different distributions, so I wouldn't be surprised that some
things work on one easier than the other. All Linuxes are not the same.

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On 07/03/2012 04:10 PM, Robert Myers wrote:

, and Fedora
doesn't even aim at being a replacement for Windows.


If seeking a linux windows look-alike then maybe zorin may be it?
¨Zorin OS is a multi-functional operating system specifically for
Windows users who want to have easy and smooth access to Linux.¨


http://zorin-os.com/
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On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Edward M <edwardm1@live.com> wrote:
> On 07/03/2012 04:10 PM, Robert Myers wrote:
>>
>> , and Fedora
>> doesn't even aim at being a replacement for Windows.
>
>
> If seeking a linux windows look-alike then maybe zorin may be it?
> ¨Zorin OS is a multi-functional operating system specifically for Windows
> users who want to have easy and smooth access to Linux.¨
>
> http://zorin-os.com/
>
Thanks for the tip. I will look into it. For the moment, Ubuntu has
done what I expected it to and what I needed it to. I don't need a
windozey look and feel. I prefer a command line most of the time, and
part of what I was bitching about here is at least as much a problem
for Windows as for any Linux distribution: where in the GUI have they
hidden that knob or switch now?

As for the bullies here who think of themselves as the Internet police
but who in reality are no better than a street gang, make the world a
better place and find a competent therapist.

Robert Myers.
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On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 3:00 AM, Tim <ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> I fail to grasp what would be so fundamentally different between
>> Ubuntu and Fedora with regards to virtualization and flash support.
>
> Ubuntu has Debian origins, Fedora has Red Hat.

I mean that the underlying packages are the same, the Flash plug-in is
the same as it is one proprietary piece of software originating from
Adobe.

The same applies to virtualization, as you can run KVM or Virtualbox
on both. The OP said that he couldn't run a Flash app on Fedora, but
apparently can in Ubuntu, that's "highly illogiccal", given the same
binary plug-in available in both distros. ;-)

Gee, thanks for lecturing me on what a distro is and the point that
different distros have different origins. DOH! *rolleyes*

FC
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On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Fernando Cassia <fcassia@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I mean that the underlying packages are the same, the Flash plug-in is
> the same as it is one proprietary piece of software originating from
> Adobe.
>
> The same applies to virtualization, as you can run KVM or Virtualbox
> on both. The OP said that he couldn't run a Flash app on Fedora, but
> apparently can in Ubuntu, that's "highly illogiccal", given the same
> binary plug-in available in both distros. ;-)
>
Not only can't you spell, but apparently you can't read. Either that,
or you have no regard for accuracy when making claims as to what
others have said. I have never said that you can't run Flash on
Fedora. Historically, though, just as with NetBIOS, it has been a
pain of the kind that is apparently heaven for some kinds of computer
weenies. It isn't for me. On Ubuntu, NetBIOS and Flash run right out
of the box, which they never have for me on Fedora.

> Gee, thanks for lecturing me on what a distro is and the point that
> different distros have different origins. DOH! *rolleyes*
>
You've got the rolling eyes in the wrong head. D'oh.

Robert Myers
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On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Robert Myers <rbmyersusa@gmail.com> wrote:
> You've got the rolling eyes in the wrong head. D'oh.

You're funny, I give you that. Good luck!

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"As for the bullies here who think of themselves as the Internet police
but who in reality are no better than a street gang, make the world a
better place and find a competent therapist

Robert Myers."

You sir, crave attention. You've had your little flame war and it has
died down. Now you're stirring the embers.


Please move on.


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