I haven't used Fedora on my netbook since F14, I used Centos 6 in that
interim.

however, both centos 6 and fedora (back when I used it) allowd one to
press the netbook's power switch, while logged in, and got a dialog
offering choices like shutdown, log off, standby, hibernate.

how, on F17 though, it just does a shutdown, depending on which
desktop/session I'm in. (in gnome it seems to just go to standby mode,
while in lxde or xfce (or MATE, which I've installed) it just shuts down.

I assume this is an artifact of systemd, but have no clue how to hack
it to make it once again offer the choices.

thanks!

Fred
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On Sat, 2012-06-30 at 17:57 -0400, fred smith wrote:
> I haven't used Fedora on my netbook since F14, I used Centos 6 in that
> interim.
>
> however, both centos 6 and fedora (back when I used it) allowd one to
> press the netbook's power switch, while logged in, and got a dialog
> offering choices like shutdown, log off, standby, hibernate.
>
> how, on F17 though, it just does a shutdown, depending on which
> desktop/session I'm in. (in gnome it seems to just go to standby mode,
> while in lxde or xfce (or MATE, which I've installed) it just shuts down.
>
> I assume this is an artifact of systemd, but have no clue how to hack
> it to make it once again offer the choices.
>
> thanks!
>
> Fred
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Why does it have to be the power switch. Why is the menu with the
appropriate choices avoidable to you (under name menu in Gnome for
example) sufficient.?

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On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 06:43:30PM -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-06-30 at 17:57 -0400, fred smith wrote:
> > I haven't used Fedora on my netbook since F14, I used Centos 6 in that
> > interim.
> >
> > however, both centos 6 and fedora (back when I used it) allowd one to
> > press the netbook's power switch, while logged in, and got a dialog
> > offering choices like shutdown, log off, standby, hibernate.
> >
> > how, on F17 though, it just does a shutdown, depending on which
> > desktop/session I'm in. (in gnome it seems to just go to standby mode,
> > while in lxde or xfce (or MATE, which I've installed) it just shuts down.
> >
> > I assume this is an artifact of systemd, but have no clue how to hack
> > it to make it once again offer the choices.
> >
> > thanks!
> >
> > Fred
> > --
> Why does it have to be the power switch. Why is the menu with the
> appropriate choices avoidable to you (under name menu in Gnome for
> example) sufficient.?

well, 2 or 3 reasons:
--it's easier to press the power button than to find the right
menu item (in Gnome 3.x)
--the menu whereof you speak includes suspend and log out, but not
hibernate, restart or shut down. I can't find a simple "shutdown"
item on any of the menus, at least on my system.... am I overlooking
something?
--it's just a reduction in functionality, so I wonder how one would
restore said functionality.

Fred

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On 06/30/2012 07:24 PM, fred smith wrote:

--it's just a reduction in functionality, so I wonder how one would
restore said functionality.


How about putting a launcher on your panel that runs the appropriate
command?

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On Sat, 2012-06-30 at 19:38 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> How about putting a launcher on your panel that runs the appropriate
> command?

How about a power switch on the computer actually acting like a power
switch, and turning the thing of properly (going through the proper
processes to shut down cleanly)? Without the user having to do anything
else than press the power switch and have it do what they expect it to
do. Just like on every other appliance that they own.

Seriously, it's much better than having to go through shenanigans to log
back into a session, just to shut down, when the screensaver has kicked
in. Or the monitor's been turned off. Or any other reason where it's
far more convenient to press one exposed switch on the computer, than
fool around with mouse and or keyboard (hint to the original poster,
Gnome has hidden the rest of the shutdown options, so that you now have
to hold down the ALT key before accessing the menu, so more options show
up, a right user-interface design fuckup).

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On Sat, 2012-06-30 at 22:24 -0400, fred smith wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 06:43:30PM -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > On Sat, 2012-06-30 at 17:57 -0400, fred smith wrote:
> > > I haven't used Fedora on my netbook since F14, I used Centos 6 in that
> > > interim.
> > >
> > > however, both centos 6 and fedora (back when I used it) allowd one to
> > > press the netbook's power switch, while logged in, and got a dialog
> > > offering choices like shutdown, log off, standby, hibernate.
> > >
> > > how, on F17 though, it just does a shutdown, depending on which
> > > desktop/session I'm in. (in gnome it seems to just go to standby mode,
> > > while in lxde or xfce (or MATE, which I've installed) it just shuts down.
> > >
> > > I assume this is an artifact of systemd, but have no clue how to hack
> > > it to make it once again offer the choices.
> > >
> > > thanks!
> > >
> > > Fred
> > > --
> > Why does it have to be the power switch. Why is the menu with the
> > appropriate choices avoidable to you (under name menu in Gnome for
> > example) sufficient.?
>
> well, 2 or 3 reasons:
> --it's easier to press the power button than to find the right
> menu item (in Gnome 3.x)
> --the menu whereof you speak includes suspend and log out, but not
> hibernate, restart or shut down. I can't find a simple "shutdown"
> item on any of the menus, at least on my system.... am I overlooking
> something?
> --it's just a reduction in functionality, so I wonder how one would
> restore said functionality.
>
> Fred
Well you arew almost right. If you hold down thew alt button on Gnome
yout get poweroff, and reboot.

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On Sat, 2012-06-30 at 19:38 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 06/30/2012 07:24 PM, fred smith wrote:
> > --it's just a reduction in functionality, so I wonder how one would
> > restore said functionality.
>
> How about putting a launcher on your panel that runs the appropriate
> command?

How do you put a launcher on a panel in Gnome 3?
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On Sun, 2012-07-01 at 08:58 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> If you hold down thew alt button on Gnome yout get poweroff, and
> reboot.

How does one do this when you don't have a keyboard? Can you use an
on-screen keyboard at the same time as using the menu? (Which would be
a horrid thing to have to do, by the way.)


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Aaron Konstam wrote:
> Well you arew almost right. If you hold down thew alt button on Gnome
> yout get poweroff, and reboot.

Or if you install gnome-shell-extension-alternative-status-menu .

Hope this helps,

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On Sun, 2012-07-01 at 19:28 +0100, James Wilkinson wrote:
> Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > Well you arew almost right. If you hold down thew alt button on Gnome
> > yout get poweroff, and reboot.
>
> Or if you install gnome-shell-extension-alternative-status-menu .
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> James.
>
Installing gnome-shell-extension-alternative-status-menu on my F17
machine does not prevent you from having to use the alt key.


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