A local FTTH ISP in Buenos Aires has showed some interest in becoming a local mirror/repo for Fedora (currently, there is none in Argentina).

However, the person in charge tells me he doesn't have 1.2TB to spare. So I did the math and found that F16 dir is 111G, F17 is 113G.

F16 updates /pub/fedora/linux/updates/16 is 58GB,and* F17 UPDATES /pub/fedora/linux/updates/17 is 38GB


The total tally is 320 GB to mirror F16, and* F17... including updates....

So why does all the mirrors must carry obsolete versions from FC1 to F15 ?!

My guess is that this local ISP would be more than willing to mirror F16-17 (and then 18) but he says he can't commit 1.2 TB of data on his server to host all the obsolete versions of Fedora.


That is, of course, unless the local RedHat branch can spare a 2TB drive...

But really, what is the rationale of mirroring ancient unsupported versions?

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Hello:
I think you don't have to créate a mirror for old and unsupported versions.
For more information, you can visit this link: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/es-ES/Fedora/14/html/Software_Management_Guide/ch08s04.html*
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A mirror in Argentina would be very helpful for all the users here in southamerica.
Regards from Chile.

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 22:11:19 -0300
Subject: Would-be local mirror in Argentina...
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A local FTTH ISP in Buenos Aires has showed some interest in becoming a local mirror/repo for Fedora (currently, there is none in Argentina).

However, the person in charge tells me he doesn't have 1.2TB to spare. So I did the math and found that F16 dir is 111G, F17 is 113G.

F16 updates /pub/fedora/linux/updates/16 is 58GB,and* F17 UPDATES /pub/fedora/linux/updates/17 is 38GB


The total tally is 320 GB to mirror F16, and* F17... including updates....

So why does all the mirrors must carry obsolete versions from FC1 to F15 ?!

My guess is that this local ISP would be more than willing to mirror F16-17 (and then 18) but he says he can't commit 1.2 TB of data on his server to host all the obsolete versions of Fedora.


That is, of course, unless the local RedHat branch can spare a 2TB drive...

But really, what is the rationale of mirroring ancient unsupported versions?

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On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Maximiliano Marín Bustos
<maximiliano.marin@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hello:
> I think you don't have to créate a mirror for old and unsupported versions.
> For more information, you can visit this link:
> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/es-ES/Fedora/14/html/Software_Management_Guide/ch08s04.html
>
> A mirror in Argentina would be very helpful for all the users here in
> southamerica.

Seeing that you' re from Chile, FYI: There is a mirror in Chile
http://linux.inf.utfsm.cl/fedora/linux/releases/

However, I decided to ask to this list about the space requirements
after reading the following:

///
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring#How_can_someone_become_a_public_mirror.3 F

"Mirror sites have at least a 100Mbit/sec* connection to the Internet,
many have Gigabit or larger pipes. As of the Fedora 8 release, the
total space consumed on the master server, thus what a mirror could
consume, is 1.1TB and growing. ***A 1-2TB volume would be most
appropriate for a long-term mirror***. "
///

However, by looking at the Brazilian mirror I see they start with FC13
so that gives me hope that perhaps rules are more relaxed and someone
can indeed become a mirror / repo by just having the last two
supported releases instead of the whole archive.

Brazilian mirror:
http://fedora.c3sl.ufpr.br/linux/releases/

May I suggest, then, that the text at
/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring#How_can_someone_become_a_public_mirror.3 F
be updated to make this distiction that having a "1.2 TB to 2TB
volume" is NOT an indication of what MUST be stored for one mirror to
qualify as an official public mirror?

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On 06/29/2012 10:41 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> However, I decided to ask to this list about the space requirements
> after reading the following:
>
> ///
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring#How_can_someone_become_a_public_mirror.3 F

If you read further down in the document you'll see this....

"You may exclude any content you desire, such as architectures, using an EXCLUDES file."


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On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Ed Greshko <Ed.Greshko@greshko.com> wrote:
> If you read further down in the document you'll see this....
>
> "You may exclude any content you desire, such as architectures, using an EXCLUDES file."

Well call me stupid then but the 1.2TB statement at the top clearly is
misleading.
I forwarded the same URL/Document to the ISP and after reading it the
person in charge said "I do not have 1.2TB to spare".
So make up your own conclusions about the clarity of the wiki
document, specially when that coment about exclusions is mixed in the
"MirrorManager: the Fedora Mirror Management system" section.

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On 06/29/2012 10:55 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Ed Greshko <Ed.Greshko@greshko.com> wrote:
>> If you read further down in the document you'll see this....
>>
>> "You may exclude any content you desire, such as architectures, using an EXCLUDES file."
> Well call me stupid then but the 1.2TB statement at the top clearly is
> misleading.
> I forwarded the same URL/Document to the ISP and after reading it the
> person in charge said "I do not have 1.2TB to spare".
> So make up your own conclusions about the clarity of the wiki
> document, specially when that coment about exclusions is mixed in the
> "MirrorManager: the Fedora Mirror Management system" section.
>

Well.... I'm not so sure it is misleading...but you do have to read it like an RFC.....

"As of the Fedora 8 release, the total space consumed on the master server, thus
what a mirror COULD consume, is 1.1TB and growing."

Notice the use of the word "could"....not "will" or "must".

:-)


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On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Ed Greshko <Ed.Greshko@greshko.com> wrote:
> Notice the use of the word "could"....not "will" or "must".
>
> :-)

You could have fixed the paragraph on the wiki by now ;-)

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Once upon a time, Fernando Cassia <fcassia@gmail.com> said:
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Ed Greshko <Ed.Greshko@greshko.com> wrote:
> > If you read further down in the document you'll see this....
> >
> > "You may exclude any content you desire, such as architectures, using an EXCLUDES file."
>
> Well call me stupid then but the 1.2TB statement at the top clearly is
> misleading.

It is the rough size of the whole thing, which is what a lot of mirrors
carry. You have to start somewhere.

FYI: on my mirror, I exclude the debuginfo packages (the debug/
subdirectories) because they are huge and rarely downloaded (and I
didn't have enough space for something lightly used). I have everything
else that is on the Fedora master (versions, arches, etc.); that's using
around 465G right now. That'll drop by as much as 130G when Fedora 15
is rolled to the archive instead of main (I don't have enough space to
mirror the archive).

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On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Chris Adams <cmadams@hiwaay.net> wrote:
> It is the rough size of the whole thing, which is what a lot of mirrors
> carry. You have to start somewhere.

Yes, but according to my math, mirroring F16, +F17 plus the updates
repos for both, accounts for less than 400 GB.

That is IMHO what most of the mirrors should carry as a minimum, as
those two are the supported releases.

So a wording like "to mirror the two currently supported releases, F16
and F17, plus the updates, currently needs less than 400 GB of
storage, that's the bare minimum any Fedora mirror should carry. If
you want to mirror everything else, including betas and test releases,
a volume of between 1.2 and 2 TB would be better, long-term" is less
scary for would-be mirror admins.

Just my $0.02
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On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:02:34 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Chris Adams wrote:
> > It is the rough size of the whole thing, which is what a lot of mirrors
> > carry. You have to start somewhere.
>
> Yes, but according to my math, mirroring F16, +F17 plus the updates
> repos for both, accounts for less than 400 GB.
>
> That is IMHO what most of the mirrors should carry as a minimum, as
> those two are the supported releases.
>
> So a wording like "to mirror the two currently supported releases, F16
> and F17, plus the updates, currently needs less than 400 GB of
> storage, that's the bare minimum any Fedora mirror should carry. If
> you want to mirror everything else, including betas and test releases,
> a volume of between 1.2 and 2 TB would be better, long-term" is less
> scary for would-be mirror admins.

It's a Wiki, feel free to edit the page and enhance the wording.
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