On 06/27/2012 12:00 PM, Christopher Svanefalk wrote:

Dear all,

I will have to install Windows on my desktop, which is currently running
Fedora 17. The problem with this is that Windows overwrites the MBR
(there is no way of opting out of this afaik), and hence my grub as
well. How can I reinstall grub after I install windows, so that I again
can get a boot screen where I can select either operating system? Thanks
in advance!


Hi Christopher,

use the rescue entry of the Fedora install CD/DVD for re-installing the
F 17 bootloader.


Kind regards

Joachim Backes


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Hi Joachim, and thanks for the reply. Is this a scripted process, or something that will have to be done manually? Asking since I am not 100% savvy when it comes to more complicated CLI work.


On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Joachim Backes <joachim.backes@rhrk.uni-kl.de> wrote:

On 06/27/2012 12:00 PM, Christopher Svanefalk wrote:


Dear all,



I will have to install Windows on my desktop, which is currently running

Fedora 17. The problem with this is that Windows overwrites the MBR

(there is no way of opting out of this afaik), and hence my grub as

well. How can I reinstall grub after I install windows, so that I again

can get a boot screen where I can select either operating system? Thanks

in advance!




Hi Christopher,



use the rescue entry of the Fedora install CD/DVD for re-installing the F 17 bootloader.



Kind regards



Joachim Backes




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Christopher Svanefalk












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Nevermind, found good instructions here:
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/13/html/Installation_Guide/s1-rescuemode-boot.html*

Thanks anyway!

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Christopher Svanefalk <christopher.svanefalk@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Joachim, and thanks for the reply. Is this a scripted process, or something that will have to be done manually? Asking since I am not 100% savvy when it comes to more complicated CLI work.



On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Joachim Backes <joachim.backes@rhrk.uni-kl.de> wrote:


On 06/27/2012 12:00 PM, Christopher Svanefalk wrote:


Dear all,



I will have to install Windows on my desktop, which is currently running

Fedora 17. The problem with this is that Windows overwrites the MBR

(there is no way of opting out of this afaik), and hence my grub as

well. How can I reinstall grub after I install windows, so that I again

can get a boot screen where I can select either operating system? Thanks

in advance!




Hi Christopher,



use the rescue entry of the Fedora install CD/DVD for re-installing the F 17 bootloader.



Kind regards



Joachim Backes




--

Best,



Christopher Svanefalk












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Christopher Svanefalk wrote:
> I will have to install Windows on my desktop, which is currently running
> Fedora 17. The problem with this is that Windows overwrites the MBR (there
> is no way of opting out of this afaik), and hence my grub as well. How can
> I reinstall grub after I install windows, so that I again can get a boot
> screen where I can select either operating system? Thanks in advance!

Have you considered installing Windows in a virtual machine, where it
can’t do any damage?

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On 27/06/12 21:12, James Wilkinson wrote:


Have you considered installing Windows in a virtual machine, where it
can’t do any damage?

James.



Widows even in a cd sleeve can still do damage.
Paper cut, hurts like a bizatch.

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The license does not permit usage in a virtual machine, unfortunately.


On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 11:03 PM, Frank Murphy <frankly3d@gmail.com> wrote:

On 27/06/12 21:12, James Wilkinson wrote:




Have you considered installing Windows in a virtual machine, where it

can’t do any damage?



James.






Widows even in a cd sleeve can still do damage.

Paper cut, hurts like a bizatch.



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On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 11:16:28PM +0200, Christopher Svanefalk wrote:
> The license does not permit usage in a virtual machine, unfortunately.

What license? AFAIK, none of the Windows licenses forbid running in a VM.
Most versions of Windows don't make any provision for it.

There was a thing where Vista forbade accessing DRM inside VMs; dunno how
that finally played out, but who in their right mind would load Vista
anywhere, anyway?

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Am 28.06.2012 01:30, schrieb Dave Ihnat:
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 11:16:28PM +0200, Christopher Svanefalk wrote:
>> The license does not permit usage in a virtual machine, unfortunately.
>
> What license? AFAIK, none of the Windows licenses forbid running in a VM.
> Most versions of Windows don't make any provision for it.

this is simply wrong
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx

Licensing the Windows Desktop Operating System

For Windows operating system software licensed through retail (FPP) or preinstalled on a PC (OEM), Windows use
rights are outlined in the Software License Terms that accompany the software. These license terms provide use
rights to run Windows locally on the licensed device in a virtual operating system environment (OSE); however they
do not provide use rights for accessing Windows running remotely in a virtual OSE from the licensed device, and are
limited in other ways when compared to virtualization use rights provided with Windows Software Assurance, Windows
Intune, and Windows VDA licenses acquired through Microsoft Volume Licensing. For example, neither FPP nor OEM
licenses permit remote access to a Windows virtual machine (VM) running in a datacenter. For this, a license
obtained through Microsoft Volume Licensing is required.

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Deceptively simple and elegant
solution, apply the DWPGA rule.

Delete Windows, problem goes away.

Solved problems on our computers.

R





Am 28.06.2012 01:30, schrieb Dave Ihnat:


On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 11:16:28PM +0200, Christopher Svanefalk wrote:


The license does not permit usage in a virtual machine, unfortunately.



What license? AFAIK, none of the Windows licenses forbid running in a VM.
Most versions of Windows don't make any provision for it.



this is simply wrong
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx

Licensing the Windows Desktop Operating System

For Windows operating system software licensed through retail (FPP) or preinstalled on a PC (OEM), Windows use
rights are outlined in the Software License Terms that accompany the software. These license terms provide use
rights to run Windows locally on the licensed device in a virtual operating system environment (OSE); however they
do not provide use rights for accessing Windows running remotely in a virtual OSE from the licensed device, and are
limited in other ways when compared to virtualization use rights provided with Windows Software Assurance, Windows
Intune, and Windows VDA licenses acquired through Microsoft Volume Licensing. For example, neither FPP nor OEM
licenses permit remote access to a Windows virtual machine (VM) running in a datacenter. For this, a license
obtained through Microsoft Volume Licensing is required.














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So last day I got around to installing Vista. The last 12 hours have convinced me that this is arguably the worst operating system ever made, and booting back into F17 was bliss. I have not tried Windows 7 very much (only really use Windows at all if Wine will not give me a smooth solution).

Reinstalling Grub with the F17 seems to be broken by the way...grub2-install throws an error. I did not record it unfortunately, but I *am assuming it can be fixed. If nothing else, it is not problematic to use an earlier version for recovery unless you need Grub2.


On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 2:00 AM, Roger <arelem@bigpond.com> wrote:






Deceptively simple and elegant
solution, apply the DWPGA rule.

Delete Windows, problem goes away.

Solved problems on our computers.

R



Am 28.06.2012 01:30, schrieb Dave Ihnat:


On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 11:16:28PM +0200, Christopher Svanefalk wrote:


The license does not permit usage in a virtual machine, unfortunately.


What license? AFAIK, none of the Windows licenses forbid running in a VM.
Most versions of Windows don't make any provision for it.


this is simply wrong
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx

Licensing the Windows Desktop Operating System

For Windows operating system software licensed through retail (FPP) or preinstalled on a PC (OEM), Windows use
rights are outlined in the Software License Terms that accompany the software. These license terms provide use
rights to run Windows locally on the licensed device in a virtual operating system environment (OSE); however they
do not provide use rights for accessing Windows running remotely in a virtual OSE from the licensed device, and are
limited in other ways when compared to virtualization use rights provided with Windows Software Assurance, Windows
Intune, and Windows VDA licenses acquired through Microsoft Volume Licensing. For example, neither FPP nor OEM
licenses permit remote access to a Windows virtual machine (VM) running in a datacenter. For this, a license
obtained through Microsoft Volume Licensing is required.















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