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Old 06-28-2012, 12:15 PM
Christopher Svanefalk
 
Default Restoring grub after Windows install

**Cut myself short:

I have not tried Windows 7 very much (only really use Windows at all if Wine will not give me a smooth solution), but I do hope they managed to turn the boat on this disaster of an OS. If not, I frankly do not understand how they can still entertain a customer base.


On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Christopher Svanefalk <christopher.svanefalk@gmail.com> wrote:

So last day I got around to installing Vista. The last 12 hours have convinced me that this is arguably the worst operating system ever made, and booting back into F17 was bliss. I have not tried Windows 7 very much (only really use Windows at all if Wine will not give me a smooth solution).


Reinstalling Grub with the F17 seems to be broken by the way...grub2-install throws an error. I did not record it unfortunately, but I *am assuming it can be fixed. If nothing else, it is not problematic to use an earlier version for recovery unless you need Grub2.



On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 2:00 AM, Roger <arelem@bigpond.com> wrote:






Deceptively simple and elegant
solution, apply the DWPGA rule.

Delete Windows, problem goes away.

Solved problems on our computers.

R



Am 28.06.2012 01:30, schrieb Dave Ihnat:


On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 11:16:28PM +0200, Christopher Svanefalk wrote:


The license does not permit usage in a virtual machine, unfortunately.


What license? AFAIK, none of the Windows licenses forbid running in a VM.
Most versions of Windows don't make any provision for it.


this is simply wrong
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx

Licensing the Windows Desktop Operating System

For Windows operating system software licensed through retail (FPP) or preinstalled on a PC (OEM), Windows use
rights are outlined in the Software License Terms that accompany the software. These license terms provide use
rights to run Windows locally on the licensed device in a virtual operating system environment (OSE); however they
do not provide use rights for accessing Windows running remotely in a virtual OSE from the licensed device, and are
limited in other ways when compared to virtualization use rights provided with Windows Software Assurance, Windows
Intune, and Windows VDA licenses acquired through Microsoft Volume Licensing. For example, neither FPP nor OEM
licenses permit remote access to a Windows virtual machine (VM) running in a datacenter. For this, a license
obtained through Microsoft Volume Licensing is required.















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Old 06-29-2012, 01:45 AM
"Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I"
 
Default Restoring grub after Windows install

On 06/27/2012 05:03 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:

On 27/06/12 21:12, James Wilkinson wrote:


Have you considered installing Windows in a virtual machine, where it
can’t do any damage?

James.



Widows even in a cd sleeve can still do damage.
Paper cut, hurts like a bizatch.



LoL!....good one!


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Old 06-29-2012, 02:35 AM
"Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I"
 
Default Restoring grub after Windows install

On 06/27/2012 08:00 PM, Roger wrote:




Deceptively simple and elegant
solution, apply the DWPGA rule.

Delete Windows, problem goes away.

Solved problems on our computers.

R




Am 28.06.2012 01:30, schrieb Dave Ihnat:


On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 11:16:28PM +0200, Christopher Svanefalk wrote:


The license does not permit usage in a virtual machine, unfortunately.


What license? AFAIK, none of the Windows licenses forbid running in a VM.
Most versions of Windows don't make any provision for it.


this is simply wrong
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx

Licensing the Windows Desktop Operating System

For Windows operating system software licensed through retail (FPP) or preinstalled on a PC (OEM), Windows use
rights are outlined in the Software License Terms that accompany the software. These license terms provide use
rights to run Windows locally on the licensed device in a virtual operating system environment (OSE); however they
do not provide use rights for accessing Windows running remotely in a virtual OSE from the licensed device, and are
limited in other ways when compared to virtualization use rights provided with Windows Software Assurance, Windows
Intune, and Windows VDA licenses acquired through Microsoft Volume Licensing. For example, neither FPP nor OEM
licenses permit remote access to a Windows virtual machine (VM) running in a datacenter. For this, a license
obtained through Microsoft Volume Licensing is required.




That's interesting, I used that SAME method (DWPGA) and I
haven't had a problem SINCE! LoL!







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Old 06-29-2012, 03:55 AM
"Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I"
 
Default Restoring grub after Windows install

If you think Windows Vista was bad, and Windows 7 sucked, then check
this out! And mind you I'm not a "Windows" basher at large, I just
feel that they've never really been "about the consumer" but more
"about the cash"....I understand most corporations using it, for
it's hardware-wide compatibility, but as a personal home PC user why
would you DO that to yourself? LoL!





http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/final-thoughts-on-windows-8-a-design-disaster/20706?tag=btxcsim





On 06/28/2012 08:15 AM, Christopher
Svanefalk wrote:


**Cut myself short:



I
have not tried Windows 7 very much (only really use Windows at
all if Wine will not give me a smooth solution), but I do hope
they managed to turn the boat on this disaster of an OS. If not,
I frankly do not understand how they can still entertain a
customer base.



On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 2:13 PM,
Christopher Svanefalk <christopher.svanefalk@gmail.com>
wrote:

So last day
I got around to installing Vista. The last 12 hours have
convinced me that this is arguably the worst operating system
ever made, and booting back into F17 was bliss. I have not
tried Windows 7 very much (only really use Windows at all if
Wine will not give me a smooth solution).




Reinstalling Grub with the F17 seems to be broken by the
way...grub2-install throws an error. I did not record it
unfortunately, but I *am assuming it can be fixed. If
nothing else, it is not problematic to use an earlier
version for recovery unless you need Grub2.





On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 2:00 AM, Roger <arelem@bigpond.com>
wrote:







Deceptively simple and elegant solution,
apply the DWPGA rule.

Delete Windows, problem goes away.

Solved problems on our computers.

R





Am 28.06.2012 01:30, schrieb Dave Ihnat:


On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 11:16:28PM +0200, Christopher Svanefalk wrote:


The license does not permit usage in a virtual machine, unfortunately.


What license? AFAIK, none of the Windows licenses forbid running in a VM.
Most versions of Windows don't make any provision for it.


this is simply wrong
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx

Licensing the Windows Desktop Operating System

For Windows operating system software licensed through retail (FPP) or preinstalled on a PC (OEM), Windows use
rights are outlined in the Software License Terms that accompany the software. These license terms provide use
rights to run Windows locally on the licensed device in a virtual operating system environment (OSE); however they
do not provide use rights for accessing Windows running remotely in a virtual OSE from the licensed device, and are
limited in other ways when compared to virtualization use rights provided with Windows Software Assurance, Windows
Intune, and Windows VDA licenses acquired through Microsoft Volume Licensing. For example, neither FPP nor OEM
licenses permit remote access to a Windows virtual machine (VM) running in a datacenter. For this, a license
obtained through Microsoft Volume Licensing is required.



















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Old 06-29-2012, 03:56 AM
"Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I"
 
Default Restoring grub after Windows install

On 06/28/2012 08:15 AM, Christopher
Svanefalk wrote:


**Cut myself short:



I
have not tried Windows 7 very much (only really use Windows at
all if Wine will not give me a smooth solution), but I do hope
they managed to turn the boat on this disaster of an OS. If not,
I frankly do not understand how they can still entertain a
customer base.



On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 2:13 PM,
Christopher Svanefalk <christopher.svanefalk@gmail.com>
wrote:

So last day
I got around to installing Vista. The last 12 hours have
convinced me that this is arguably the worst operating system
ever made, and booting back into F17 was bliss. I have not
tried Windows 7 very much (only really use Windows at all if
Wine will not give me a smooth solution).




Reinstalling Grub with the F17 seems to be broken by the
way...grub2-install throws an error. I did not record it
unfortunately, but I *am assuming it can be fixed. If
nothing else, it is not problematic to use an earlier
version for recovery unless you need Grub2.





On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 2:00 AM, Roger <arelem@bigpond.com>
wrote:







Deceptively simple and elegant solution,
apply the DWPGA rule.

Delete Windows, problem goes away.

Solved problems on our computers.

R





Am 28.06.2012 01:30, schrieb Dave Ihnat:


On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 11:16:28PM +0200, Christopher Svanefalk wrote:


The license does not permit usage in a virtual machine, unfortunately.


What license? AFAIK, none of the Windows licenses forbid running in a VM.
Most versions of Windows don't make any provision for it.


this is simply wrong
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx

Licensing the Windows Desktop Operating System

For Windows operating system software licensed through retail (FPP) or preinstalled on a PC (OEM), Windows use
rights are outlined in the Software License Terms that accompany the software. These license terms provide use
rights to run Windows locally on the licensed device in a virtual operating system environment (OSE); however they
do not provide use rights for accessing Windows running remotely in a virtual OSE from the licensed device, and are
limited in other ways when compared to virtualization use rights provided with Windows Software Assurance, Windows
Intune, and Windows VDA licenses acquired through Microsoft Volume Licensing. For example, neither FPP nor OEM
licenses permit remote access to a Windows virtual machine (VM) running in a datacenter. For this, a license
obtained through Microsoft Volume Licensing is required.



















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Old 06-29-2012, 04:13 AM
David
 
Default Restoring grub after Windows install

On 6/28/2012 11:55 PM, Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I wrote:
> If you think Windows Vista was bad, and Windows 7 sucked, then check
> this out! And mind you I'm not a "Windows" basher at large, I just feel
> that they've never really been "about the consumer" but more "about the
> cash"....I understand most corporations using it, for it's hardware-wide
> compatibility, but as a personal home PC user why would you DO that to
> yourself? LoL!


This is a users-helping-user support list.

Would you please do all of us a favor and take your trolling someplace else?

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Old 06-29-2012, 04:16 AM
"Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I"
 
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On 06/29/2012 12:13 AM, David wrote:

On 6/28/2012 11:55 PM, Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I wrote:

If you think Windows Vista was bad, and Windows 7 sucked, then check
this out! And mind you I'm not a "Windows" basher at large, I just feel
that they've never really been "about the consumer" but more "about the
cash"....I understand most corporations using it, for it's hardware-wide
compatibility, but as a personal home PC user why would you DO that to
yourself? LoL!


This is a users-helping-user support list.

Would you please do all of us a favor and take your trolling someplace else?

I'm not trolling, and I apologize if it came across as such, I just
happened to be reading this and responding to a couple of posts at the
same time, I don't have anything against MS or any OTHER corp. Sorry if
you got the impression of that being my ulterior motive!



EGO II

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Old 06-29-2012, 04:31 AM
David
 
Default Restoring grub after Windows install

On 6/29/2012 12:16 AM, Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I wrote:
>
> On 06/29/2012 12:13 AM, David wrote:
>> On 6/28/2012 11:55 PM, Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I wrote:
>>> If you think Windows Vista was bad, and Windows 7 sucked, then check
>>> this out! And mind you I'm not a "Windows" basher at large, I just feel
>>> that they've never really been "about the consumer" but more "about the
>>> cash"....I understand most corporations using it, for it's hardware-wide
>>> compatibility, but as a personal home PC user why would you DO that to
>>> yourself? LoL!
>>
>> This is a users-helping-user support list.
>>
>> Would you please do all of us a favor and take your trolling someplace
>> else?
>>
> I'm not trolling, and I apologize if it came across as such, I just
> happened to be reading this and responding to a couple of posts at the
> same time, I don't have anything against MS or any OTHER corp. Sorry if
> you got the impression of that being my ulterior motive!
>
>
> EGO II
>


As I said - users helping users - list. Specifically a *Fedora* users -
helping Fedora users - list. Nothing in that says anything about BS,
beat up on, or insult, Microsoft here.

Have a good day.
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Old 06-29-2012, 04:33 AM
"Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I"
 
Default Restoring grub after Windows install

On 06/29/2012 12:31 AM, David wrote:

On 6/29/2012 12:16 AM, Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I wrote:

On 06/29/2012 12:13 AM, David wrote:

On 6/28/2012 11:55 PM, Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I wrote:

If you think Windows Vista was bad, and Windows 7 sucked, then check
this out! And mind you I'm not a "Windows" basher at large, I just feel
that they've never really been "about the consumer" but more "about the
cash"....I understand most corporations using it, for it's hardware-wide
compatibility, but as a personal home PC user why would you DO that to
yourself? LoL!

This is a users-helping-user support list.

Would you please do all of us a favor and take your trolling someplace
else?


I'm not trolling, and I apologize if it came across as such, I just
happened to be reading this and responding to a couple of posts at the
same time, I don't have anything against MS or any OTHER corp. Sorry if
you got the impression of that being my ulterior motive!


EGO II



As I said - users helping users - list. Specifically a *Fedora* users -
helping Fedora users - list. Nothing in that says anything about BS,
beat up on, or insult, Microsoft here.

Have a good day.


Same to you!

Cheers!

EGO II


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Old 06-29-2012, 07:04 AM
Joe Zeff
 
Default Restoring grub after Windows install

On 06/28/2012 08:55 PM, Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I wrote:

If you think Windows Vista was bad, and Windows 7 sucked, then check
this out! And mind you I'm not a "Windows" basher at large, I just feel
that they've never really been "about the consumer" but more "about the
cash"....I understand most corporations using it, for it's hardware-wide
compatibility, but as a personal home PC user why would you DO that to
yourself? LoL!


Judging only from that article, it looks as though Microsoft is trying
to reinvent the Unity Desktop.

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