Fedora 17 new install on a USB connected hard drive.



I have Dell Dimension 2400 with WindowsXP installed, But !! I can't
get this Dell to Boot off a CDROM.

by even setting up BIOS to boot off CDROM.



Yes the CD is a Bootable CD.* If you read the CD from within
WindowsXP it will read the the files on the CD.



I was thinking about taking hard drive out the Dell and USB connect
the hard drive to another Computer and do a resize of WindowsXP and
install Fedora on hard drive and setting up the hard drive as a Boot
drive , then put it back into the Dell 2400.



The Dell hard drive is a IDE drive and My computer is SATA so I
can't put the Dell hard drive in my PC.



Will it Work ????



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On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 13:37 -0400, Jim wrote:
> Fedora 17 new install on a USB connected hard drive.
>
> I have Dell Dimension 2400 with WindowsXP installed, But !! I can't
> get this Dell to Boot off a CDROM.
> by even setting up BIOS to boot off CDROM.
>
> Yes the CD is a Bootable CD. If you read the CD from within WindowsXP
> it will read the the files on the CD.
>
> I was thinking about taking hard drive out the Dell and USB connect
> the hard drive to another Computer and do a resize of WindowsXP and
> install Fedora on hard drive and setting up the hard drive as a Boot
> drive , then put it back into the Dell 2400.
>
> The Dell hard drive is a IDE drive and My computer is SATA so I can't
> put the Dell hard drive in my PC.
>
> Will it Work ????

In addition to resizing your XP partition, you may have to "move" it
over to make enough space for grub. There's lots of posts all over
about this.
You might first want to test by booting it on your PC via USB and with
that SATA HD disconnected. If you fail to boot with some weird grub
error then you still have some partition manipulation to do. To do
partition manipulation, I generally use a gparted live CD.


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On 06/26/2012 10:37 AM, Jim wrote:

Yes the CD is a Bootable CD. If you read the CD from within WindowsXP
it will read the the files on the CD.


Two questions: first, have you tried booting a different computer with
this CD? Second, have you discussed this with Dell?

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On 06/26/2012 02:23 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 06/26/2012 10:37 AM, Jim wrote:

Yes the CD is a Bootable CD. If you read the CD from within WindowsXP
it will read the the files on the CD.


Two questions: first, have you tried booting a different computer with
this CD? Second, have you discussed this with Dell?


Yes the CD will boot off another computer.

And Dell isn't going to be much help with a old computer and me
installing Linux, they will only give advice on Windows, and the CHARGE
you for it.


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On 06/26/2012 11:29 AM, Jim wrote:

Yes the CD will boot off another computer.



OK, that's one possibility eliminated. Always good to make sure.


And Dell isn't going to be much help with a old computer and me
installing Linux, they will only give advice on Windows, and the CHARGE
you for it.


I'm not familiar with Dell, and had no idea how old the computer is.
Are there any help forums or mailing lists for Dell you can ask on?
(Not that I'm trying to shove you off, but you may need specialized
assistance.) I do know, as an example, that there's a mailing list for
people running Linux on Toshiba laptops, because I'm on it.

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On 06/26/2012 02:56 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 06/26/2012 11:29 AM, Jim wrote:

Yes the CD will boot off another computer.



OK, that's one possibility eliminated. Always good to make sure.


And Dell isn't going to be much help with a old computer and me
installing Linux, they will only give advice on Windows, and the CHARGE
you for it.


I'm not familiar with Dell, and had no idea how old the computer is.
Are there any help forums or mailing lists for Dell you can ask on?
(Not that I'm trying to shove you off, but you may need specialized
assistance.) I do know, as an example, that there's a mailing list
for people running Linux on Toshiba laptops, because I'm on it.
this booting off CDrom is a Major problem for this Dell 2400, it's all
over the internet, but no has came up with a fix on the problem.


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On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 15:09:20 -0400,
Jim <binarynut@comcast.net> wrote:
this booting off CDrom is a Major problem for this Dell 2400, it's
all over the internet, but no has came up with a fix on the problem.


I'm guessing there isn't a BIOS (or possible other firmware) for your computer?
If there was something like this might be fixed in such an update.
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On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 13:37 -0400, Jim wrote:
> Fedora 17 new install on a USB connected hard drive.
>
> I have Dell Dimension 2400 with WindowsXP installed, But !! I can't
> get this Dell to Boot off a CDROM.
> by even setting up BIOS to boot off CDROM.
>
> Yes the CD is a Bootable CD. If you read the CD from within WindowsXP
> it will read the the files on the CD.
>
> I was thinking about taking hard drive out the Dell and USB connect
> the hard drive to another Computer and do a resize of WindowsXP and
> install Fedora on hard drive and setting up the hard drive as a Boot
> drive , then put it back into the Dell 2400.
>
> The Dell hard drive is a IDE drive and My computer is SATA so I can't
> put the Dell hard drive in my PC.
>
> Will it Work ????

Well there are several things.
1. The F17 DVD only boots on selected machines. Of my machines it boots
on only w2 of the three.
2. Howerver I found it will boot if you perform the following procedure.
Go into the Bios and then into the Boot Sequence option. You don't have
to do anything except exit the Boot sequence and exit the bios. Exit
and save if it asks you that. The the DVD will boot to the Install oe
Update screen. Chose that and the booting will continue after producing
the following mysterious erroo messgae:

Error could not insert 'floppy' no such device
Loading Fedora 17 i686 install
rpcbind terminating on signal. Restart with "rpcbind -w"


Just let the error message sit there until it goes in to the language
choice menu.

All my problems have been on Dell machines.

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On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 13:37 -0400, Jim wrote:
> Fedora 17 new install on a USB connected hard drive.
>
> I have Dell Dimension 2400 with WindowsXP installed, But !! I can't
> get this Dell to Boot off a CDROM.
> by even setting up BIOS to boot off CDROM.
>
> Yes the CD is a Bootable CD. If you read the CD from within WindowsXP
> it will read the the files on the CD.
>
> I was thinking about taking hard drive out the Dell and USB connect
> the hard drive to another Computer and do a resize of WindowsXP and
> install Fedora on hard drive and setting up the hard drive as a Boot
> drive , then put it back into the Dell 2400.
>
> The Dell hard drive is a IDE drive and My computer is SATA so I can't
> put the Dell hard drive in my PC.
>
> Will it Work ????

Don't you mean a DVD?

If the the procedure I outlined in my previous note does not work Down
load a Live CD. Install it on a usb stick using unetbootin you get from
unetbootin.sourceforge.net

Then use the usb stick to install Fedora 17.

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On 06/26/2012 12:37 PM, Jim wrote:
> Fedora 17 new install on a USB connected hard drive.
>
> I have Dell Dimension 2400 with WindowsXP installed, But !! I can't
get this Dell to Boot off a CDROM.
> by even setting up BIOS to boot off CDROM.
>
> Yes the CD is a Bootable CD. If you read the CD from within
WindowsXP it will read the the files on the CD.
>
> I was thinking about taking hard drive out the Dell and USB connect
the hard drive to another Computer and do a resize of WindowsXP and
install Fedora on hard drive and setting up the hard drive as a Boot
drive , then put it back into the Dell 2400.
>
> The Dell hard drive is a IDE drive and My computer is SATA so I
can't put the Dell hard drive in my PC.
>
> Will it Work ????
>
>
You will probably run into problems with the wrong drivers being
loaded into the initrd image. It may not have the IDE drivers.

Are you sure your system does not have an IDE connection as well as
the SATA connections? A lot of motherboards have both.

In any case, you will have to select a custom GRUB config because
the drive configuration will be different when you are installing
and when you boot with the drive back in the Dell.

Mikkel
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