On 06/20/2012 07:28 AM, users-request@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:


Then you should also apologize a second time for making unnecessary
disparaging remarks about Gnome-3.4.


Necessity and accuracy are largely orthogonal, and the fact that his
disparagement was unnecessary didn't render it inaccurate.



This Gnome bashing is becoming extremely tiresome.


Your fatigue would largely have been avoided had the Gnome developers
proceeded differently. So perhaps you should complain to them. ;-)

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On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 8:31 PM, Daniel <fedoraproject@oeconomist.com> wrote:
> On 06/20/2012 07:28 AM, users-request@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
>
>> Then you should also apologize a second time for making unnecessary
>> disparaging remarks about Gnome-3.4.
>
>
> Necessity and accuracy are largely orthogonal, and the fact that his
> disparagement was unnecessary didn't render it inaccurate.
>
>> This Gnome bashing is becoming extremely tiresome.




>oky i am apologize if i hurt yu









>
> Your fatigue would largely have been avoided had the Gnome developers

> *proceeded differently. *So perhaps you should complain to them. ;-)
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On 06/20/2012 08:01 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 06/20/2012 07:28 AM, users-request@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:


Then you should also apologize a second time for making unnecessary
disparaging remarks about Gnome-3.4.


Necessity and accuracy are largely orthogonal, and the fact that his
disparagement was unnecessary didn't render it inaccurate.



This Gnome bashing is becoming extremely tiresome.


Your fatigue would largely have been avoided had the Gnome developers
proceeded differently. So perhaps you should complain to them. ;-)


+1

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Then you should also apologize a second time for making unnecessary
disparaging remarks about Gnome-3.4.


Necessity and accuracy are largely orthogonal, and the fact that his
disparagement was unnecessary didn't render it inaccurate.



This Gnome bashing is becoming extremely tiresome.


Your fatigue would largely have been avoided had the Gnome developers
proceeded differently. So perhaps you should complain to them. ;-)


+1

I am grateful that there is no serious problem with Linux in this
thread. Interesting that the conversation revolves around "Do what I say".

As I understand it to date the devs say:
"Go away", rightly so,
and "Put up or shut up", again rightly so.
$boring = 10;
$Interesting = 0;
if ($boring =>1) stop; fi
if($interesting=<0) stop; fi

Forgive my coding errors
R


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On 06/21/2012 09:36 PM, Roger wrote:

As I understand it to date the devs say:
"Go away", rightly so,
and "Put up or shut up", again rightly so.


I've never heard complaints about the KDE devs doing that, and I know
that the Xfce devs don't. AFAIK, only the Gnome devs say that.

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On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:45:06PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 06/21/2012 09:36 PM, Roger wrote:
> >As I understand it to date the devs say:
> >"Go away", rightly so,
> >and "Put up or shut up", again rightly so.
>
> I've never heard complaints about the KDE devs doing that, and I
> know that the Xfce devs don't. AFAIK, only the Gnome devs say that.

Citation needed! :P

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On 06/22/2012 05:00 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:45:06PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:

>On 06/21/2012 09:36 PM, Roger wrote:



As I understand it to date the devs say:
"Go away", rightly so,
and "Put up or shut up", again rightly so.


I've never heard complaints about the KDE devs doing that, and I
know that the Xfce devs don't. AFAIK, only the Gnome devs say that.


Citation needed! :P


I hope that you're not asking for a citation to the effect that the
KDE or Xfce developers _don't_ respond to complaints with "Go away!"
nor with "Put up or shut up!" and are simply asking for substantiation
that Gnome developers _have_.


In this latter case, what would you do with the substantiation? If
your response would be to shrug or to embrace the acts of rejection,it
would hardly be worth the effort of providing the substantiation. If,
on the other hand, you promise to pour warm, stale beer on one of
those developers, then I for one will be happy to track down an
instance. :-;

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On 06/20/2012 11:01 AM, Daniel wrote:




Your fatigue would largely have been avoided had the Gnome
developers *proceeded differently.* So perhaps you should complain
to them. ;-)





Wow.* The arrogance in that statement is rather astounding.* You
seriously believe that I should complain to the Gnome developers
because there are people on a mailing list that is only tangentially
related to Gnome who can't stop beating a dead horse?


No discussion on this list will likely ever impact Gnome
development.* Go to the gnome devel list for that.
The only likely scenario in which discussions on this list
will impact Fedora development is if one of the development team
also reads this list and takes it upon themselves to follow up
on the Fedora devel lists.
The vast majority of users of Fedora, whether or not they use
Gnome, could not care less about your opinions on the Gnome
development process, and do get tired of the repetition, and
telling them that it is their fault is insulting.


Woogie





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On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 06:27:14AM -0700, Daniel wrote:
> On 06/22/2012 05:00 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> >On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:45:06PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> >>>On 06/21/2012 09:36 PM, Roger wrote:
>
> >>>>>As I understand it to date the devs say:
> >>>>>"Go away", rightly so,
> >>>>>and "Put up or shut up", again rightly so.
> >>>
> >>>I've never heard complaints about the KDE devs doing that, and I
> >>>know that the Xfce devs don't. AFAIK, only the Gnome devs say that.
> >
> >Citation needed! :P
>
> I hope that you're not asking for a citation to the effect that the
> KDE or Xfce developers _don't_ respond to complaints with "Go away!"
> nor with "Put up or shut up!" and are simply asking for
> substantiation that Gnome developers _have_.

In Wikipedia "citation needed" is added to prove a claim. Basically a
reference to a study showing that in general GNOME developers give this
answer and secondly that XFCE as well as KDE developers don't do this.

I think it is somewhat normal to ask for more details. And I understand
that proving a negative is difficult (XFCE/KDE), but that should still
be possible (sampling of all the answers).

> In this latter case, what would you do with the substantiation? If
> your response would be to shrug or to embrace the acts of
> rejection,it would hardly be worth the effort of providing the
> substantiation. If, on the other hand, you promise to pour warm,
> stale beer on one of those developers, then I for one will be happy
> to track down an instance. :-;

So in short: you have a belief, no basis for it, but cannot be bothered
to properly investigate. You make a judgement about GNOME developers,
and when someone from GNOME asks for details, there are none.

Glad you cleared that up for me

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On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 04:34:34PM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> So in short: you have a belief, no basis for it, but cannot be bothered

s/you have/someone has/

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