On 20/06/12 15:09, David wrote:



Linux is all about choice.


No, Linus wasis very pragmatic.
Hence kernel is still at gplv2

GNU is all about choice.

But in the world we live in,
more can be less.


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On 06/20/2012 03:09 PM, David wrote:
> On 6/20/2012 9:53 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>> Since I am responsible for initiating the attacks on Fedora for
>> using Gnome 3, I feel I should clarify with some kind of apology.
>> I did not say nor do I mean that F17 is a defective version of
>> Linux. Just that it has a defective Default Desktop Environment.
>> F17 is fine version of Linux. And once you get past the DE it has
>> all the good qualities you would want in Linux distribution.
>
> Linux is all about choice. So choose a different Desktop.
>

While I agree that Aaron might be better off choosing a desktop that
suits his tastes better I tend to agree with ajax's opinion on the
"Linux is all about choice" meme:

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-January/msg00861.html

(and the 'best. post. ever. followups fwiw .

Regards,
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See? and THIS is what I meant before......about the Fedora Users being a
cut above the rest! I will say this much to Aaron and everyone else in
this group, from developers to users, to admins, to engineers, to coders
etc,.....you are without a doubt....the classiest, most intelligent,
witty, knowledgeable, and decent group of people I've EVER run
across....and I've been alive now for 41 years...so that's a LOT of
people! LoL! Keep up the good work, and don't stop complaining, griping,
making your voices heard, and helping to shape the future not just of a
distro, but of the world of technology as a whole!



Cheers!


EGO II





On 06/20/2012 09:53 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:

Since I am responsible for initiating the attacks on Fedora for using
Gnome 3, I feel I should clarify with some kind of apology. I did not
say nor do I mean that F17 is a defective version of Linux. Just that it
has a defective Default Desktop Environment. F17 is fine version of
Linux. And once you get past the DE it has all the good qualities you
would want in Linux distribution.



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On 20 June 2012 14:53, Aaron Konstam <akonstam@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I did not
say nor do I mean that F17 is a defective version of Linux. Just that it

has a defective Default Desktop Environment.

It takes all sorts I suppose.

I just switched back to Fedora after an absence of a few years, specifically because of gnome 3, and I'm extremely happy with it, having previously been a gnome 2.x user since it came out.


I'm glad I did switch back because there are tons of other advantages I didn't expect over my previous distro.

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> I tend to agree with ajax's opinion on the
> "Linux is all about choice" meme:
>
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-January/msg00861.html

What ajax seems to be saying is that it is not realistic to include
every possible choice in a given distribution. I agree. There are
desktop environments available for Linux that are not shipped with
Fedora, and one cannot reasonably complain about that. But you still
have the choice to use a different distro that provides the choices you
want if you are not satisfied with the choices that one distro includes.

I don't think the problem is necessarily about saying that "Linux is
about choice", but about expectations that this means every possible
choice should be available in your favorite distro.

--Greg



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On 06/20/2012 05:43 PM, Greg Woods wrote:
> What ajax seems to be saying is that it is not realistic to
> include every possible choice in a given distribution. I agree.
> There are desktop environments available for Linux that are not
> shipped with Fedora, and one cannot reasonably complain about that.
> But you still have the choice to use a different distro that
> provides the choices you want if you are not satisfied with the
> choices that one distro includes.
>
> I don't think the problem is necessarily about saying that "Linux
> is about choice", but about expectations that this means every
> possible choice should be available in your favorite distro.

Yep, I'd say that's a good summary of my take on it too. Linux (or
rather open source) gives you almost unending choice /if/ you are
willing to devote the time and energy, or otherwise pay the costs to
make everything "Just So" for your own tastes.

On the other hand in a distribution like Fedora that aims to have
broad appeal and usefulness and has limited resources to throw at
things you need to take a more pragmatic line to end up with something
on-time and within cost constraints.

Regards,
Bryn.
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On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 10:43 -0600, Greg Woods wrote:
> I don't think the problem is necessarily about saying that "Linux is
> about choice", but about expectations that this means every possible
> choice should be available in your favorite distro.

Obviously not, but the better choices should be up first, and by
default.

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On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 14:18 +0930, Tim wrote:

> Obviously not, but the better choices should be up first, and by
> default.

Well, I think it should be the choices that *I* think are better that
should be up first :-) Of course that's the problem, there is no
universally-agreed-on definition of "better".

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On 06/21/2012 10:29 AM, Greg Woods wrote:



Well, I think it should be the choices that *I* think are better that
should be up first :-) Of course that's the problem, there is no
universally-agreed-on definition of "better".

--Greg




Sure there is, chocolate and peanut butter is better than either
chocolate or peanut butter separate.





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On 06/21/2012 07:29 AM, Greg Woods wrote:

On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 14:18 +0930, Tim wrote:


Obviously not, but the better choices should be up first, and by
default.


Well, I think it should be the choices that *I* think are better that
should be up first :-) Of course that's the problem, there is no
universally-agreed-on definition of "better".



Alphabetic order seems fairest to me, even though it puts my personal
favorite at the bottom. Of course, I'm more used to that than most people.

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