Tried preupgrade, but it can't find my old system, and kicks the
upgrade process to the curb.

Then I tried the netinstall CD and it can't find my old system, either.

Looking around, I see a bit of discussion of problems with the install
process recognizing LVM partitions. Rescue mode boot of the
netinstall CD appears to be unable to mount LVM partitions.

Does anyone know of a work-around short of backing up /etc and /home
and doing a fresh install?


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What about a SystemRescue CD?....I've been told they have tools that can
help out in situations where you can't seen to get into your PC?....and
is that all I would have to backup if I wanted to go from Fedora 15 to
Fedora 17?using a fresh install...."home" and "etc"..is that where all
my skins for Firefox....Thunberbird.....Audacity etc are located? What
about my music, pictures, and documents? would all those be safe? I want
to upgrade / update so bad, but I also don't want to lose all the stuff
I have on here either!...



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On 06/20/2012 10:13 AM, Joel Rees wrote:

Tried preupgrade, but it can't find my old system, and kicks the
upgrade process to the curb.

Then I tried the netinstall CD and it can't find my old system, either.

Looking around, I see a bit of discussion of problems with the install
process recognizing LVM partitions. Rescue mode boot of the
netinstall CD appears to be unable to mount LVM partitions.

Does anyone know of a work-around short of backing up /etc and /home
and doing a fresh install?


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On 20.06.2012 16:13, Joel Rees wrote:
> Tried preupgrade, but it can't find my old system, and kicks the
> upgrade process to the curb.
>
> Then I tried the netinstall CD and it can't find my old system, either.
>
> Looking around, I see a bit of discussion of problems with the install
> process recognizing LVM partitions. Rescue mode boot of the
> netinstall CD appears to be unable to mount LVM partitions.
>
> Does anyone know of a work-around short of backing up /etc and /home
> and doing a fresh install?
>
>
> --
> Joel Rees

Fedora LiveCD should recognize partitions on LVM and RAID even with
encryption.

It's not recommended to have /usr on different partition so perhaps
you'd like to change your partition layout. More about /usr:
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken


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On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:24 AM, Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I
<eoconnor25@gmail.com> wrote:
> What about a SystemRescue CD?

The rescue CD is the netinstall CD. (And, you will note below, that
was the option I had just finished trying.)


> ....I've been told they have tools that can
> help out in situations where you can't seen to get into your PC?

Well, the LVM tools would appear to be on the CD if the installer
allows one to set up the install with LVM volumes.

No idea why they are not enabled, so that I can't even see the LVM
volumes under /dev/disk

>....and is
> that all I would have to backup if I wanted to go from Fedora 15 to Fedora
> 17?

Is what all you would have to back up for what?

Guessing that you refer to my "short of backing up ..." comment?

Typically, one backs up /home and /etc. You may or may not restore
/home, but /etc is for reference, not for direct restoring. Everything
is is generated.

> using a fresh install...."home" and "etc"..is that where all my skins for
> Firefox....Thunberbird.....Audacity etc are located?

/home/username/.various-configs

> What about my music,
> pictures, and documents?

Directories of those names under /home/username

> would all those be safe?

What do you mean by safe?

Anyway, if you want your /home directories to survive the upgrade, you
need to take special efforts during the install to avoid walking all
over /home.

> I want to upgrade / update
> so bad, but I also don't want to lose all the stuff I have on here
> either!...
>
>
> EGO II
>
>
> On 06/20/2012 10:13 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
>>
>> Tried preupgrade, but it can't find my old system, and kicks the
>> upgrade process to the curb.
>>
>> Then I tried the netinstall CD and it can't find my old system, either.
>>
>> Looking around, I see a bit of discussion of problems with the install
>> process recognizing *LVM partitions. Rescue mode boot of the
>> netinstall CD appears to be unable to mount LVM partitions.
>>
>> Does anyone know of a work-around short of backing up /etc and /home
>> and doing a fresh install?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Joel Rees
>
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On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Mateusz Marzantowicz
<mmarzantowicz@osdf.com.pl> wrote:
> On 20.06.2012 16:13, Joel Rees wrote:
>> Tried preupgrade, but it can't find my old system, and kicks the
>> upgrade process to the curb.
>>
>> Then I tried the netinstall CD and it can't find my old system, either.
>>
>> Looking around, I see a bit of discussion of problems with the install
>> process recognizing *LVM partitions. Rescue mode boot of the
>> netinstall CD appears to be unable to mount LVM partitions.
>>
>> Does anyone know of a work-around short of backing up /etc and /home
>> and doing a fresh install?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Joel Rees
>
> Fedora LiveCD should recognize partitions on LVM and RAID even with
> encryption.

And what good does that do me? Or is there a LiveCD that does upgrades?

Well, the netinstall CD does have lvm command line tools on it.

Right now I'm reading the device mapper commands. If I find the right
commands to activate the logical partitions, I still need to know the
name of the install command so I can re-start the install/upgrade
process after dropping out to a shell. The command does not seem to be
called "install", at any rate.

(Can't remember whether I've done this on Fedora. Last time I did this
kind of thing on openBSD, it was just "install" there, as I recall.)

> It's not recommended to have /usr on different partition so perhaps
> you'd like to change your partition layout.

Yeah, I know all about that trash.

> More about /usr:
> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken

I'm familiar with the issues. And the arguments. You don't fix broken
semantics by breaking everything. The split is useful and is used.

And having no split at all between required system binaries and
optional system binaries is just tempting fate. It's the kind of
technical activity that Microsoft "engineers" call engineering. The
best one might hope it could be is an excuse for getting a paycheck
when you can't think of anything really useful to do.

And it's a shame, because there is breakage there that could actually
be fixed if there weren't a fixation on merging.

> Mateusz Marzantowicz

I'm not attacking you, by the way, I'm just using your reply as a
vehicle to vent my disgust with what Poettering is doing.

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On 22.06.2012 19:29, Joel Rees wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Mateusz Marzantowicz
> <mmarzantowicz@osdf.com.pl> wrote:
>> On 20.06.2012 16:13, Joel Rees wrote:
>>> Tried preupgrade, but it can't find my old system, and kicks the
>>> upgrade process to the curb.
>>>
>>> Then I tried the netinstall CD and it can't find my old system, either.
>>>
>>> Looking around, I see a bit of discussion of problems with the install
>>> process recognizing LVM partitions. Rescue mode boot of the
>>> netinstall CD appears to be unable to mount LVM partitions.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know of a work-around short of backing up /etc and /home
>>> and doing a fresh install?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Joel Rees
>> Fedora LiveCD should recognize partitions on LVM and RAID even with
>> encryption.
> And what good does that do me? Or is there a LiveCD that does upgrades?

I'm not sure because I've installed my Fedora form netinstall cd but as
I remember there is an option to fresh install form Live CD (maybe an
upgrade is also available.) But my original answer was to your need of
doing backup, so Live CD seemed to be perfect for this job.

>
> Well, the netinstall CD does have lvm command line tools on it.
>
> Right now I'm reading the device mapper commands. If I find the right
> commands to activate the logical partitions, I still need to know the
> name of the install command so I can re-start the install/upgrade
> process after dropping out to a shell. The command does not seem to be
> called "install", at any rate.
>
> (Can't remember whether I've done this on Fedora. Last time I did this
> kind of thing on openBSD, it was just "install" there, as I recall.)

I'm really surprised that anaconda doesn't recognized your LVM
partitions. I had a problem with broken installation so I restarted it
(reboot) and I was able to partition my disk again (including LVM
changes etc.)

To see the command, start the installer (anaconda) by booting your
computer and then drop to shell and type in ps command. That should give
you the command to start anaconda again. You might also try to do what's
needed in parallel with the installer on that additional terminals.

>> It's not recommended to have /usr on different partition so perhaps
>> you'd like to change your partition layout.
> Yeah, I know all about that trash.
>
>> More about /usr:
>> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken
> I'm familiar with the issues. And the arguments. You don't fix broken
> semantics by breaking everything. The split is useful and is used.
>
> And having no split at all between required system binaries and
> optional system binaries is just tempting fate. It's the kind of
> technical activity that Microsoft "engineers" call engineering. The
> best one might hope it could be is an excuse for getting a paycheck
> when you can't think of anything really useful to do.
>
> And it's a shame, because there is breakage there that could actually
> be fixed if there weren't a fixation on merging.
>
>> Mateusz Marzantowicz
> I'm not attacking you, by the way, I'm just using your reply as a
> vehicle to vent my disgust with what Poettering is doing.
>
>
No offense taken.
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On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Mateusz Marzantowicz
<mmarzantowicz@osdf.com.pl> wrote:
> On 22.06.2012 19:29, Joel Rees wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Mateusz Marzantowicz
>> <mmarzantowicz@osdf.com.pl> wrote:
>>> On 20.06.2012 16:13, Joel Rees wrote:
>>>> Tried preupgrade, but it can't find my old system, and kicks the
>>>> upgrade process to the curb.
>>>>
>>>> Then I tried the netinstall CD and it can't find my old system, either.
>>>>
>>>> Looking around, I see a bit of discussion of problems with the install
>>>> process recognizing *LVM partitions. Rescue mode boot of the
>>>> netinstall CD appears to be unable to mount LVM partitions.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know of a work-around short of backing up /etc and /home
>>>> and doing a fresh install?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Joel Rees
>>> Fedora LiveCD should recognize partitions on LVM and RAID even with
>>> encryption.
>> And what good does that do me? Or is there a LiveCD that does upgrades?
>
> I'm not sure because I've installed my Fedora form netinstall cd but as
> I remember there is an option to fresh install form Live CD (maybe an
> upgrade is also available.)

I couldn't find an upgrade option the last time I looked, but it was
the security spin (F16), not the basic F16 Live CD. so maybe there's a
difference.

> But my original answer was to your need of
> doing backup, so Live CD seemed to be perfect for this job.

Well, checking my original post, I left off the detail that I can
still boot in the old F15 system. But thanks, anyway.

>> Well, the netinstall CD does have lvm command line tools on it.
>>
>> Right now I'm reading the device mapper commands. If I find the right
>> commands to activate the logical partitions, I still need to know the
>> name of the install command so I can re-start the install/upgrade
>> process after dropping out to a shell. The command does not seem to be
>> called "install", at any rate.
>>
>> (Can't remember whether I've done this on Fedora. Last time I did this
>> kind of thing on openBSD, it was just "install" there, as I recall.)
>
> I'm really surprised that anaconda doesn't recognized your LVM
> partitions. I had a problem with broken installation so I restarted it
> (reboot) and I was able to partition my disk again (including LVM
> changes etc.)

I was also surprised. Booting the netinstall CD, I notice that there
is an unnamed daemon that systemd can't get started, leaving a message
on the top of the screen somewhere along the way to multiuser.

> To see the command, start the installer (anaconda) by booting your
> computer and then drop to shell and type in ps command. That should give
> you the command to start anaconda again. You might also try to do what's
> needed in parallel with the installer on that additional terminals.

OH, YES!

Now I remember using the virtual console during installs in the past.
Let's see what that buys me.

Found this with Google:

http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Logical_Volume_Manager_Administration/cluster_activation.html

Elsewhere in there it mentions vgscan and lvscan, which give me the
logical paths I need for the argument to lvchange -aly . And running

lvchange -aly 'dev/<volumeLabel>' with the appropriate <volumeLabel>s
gets my lvm volumes activated (confirmed with another quick lvscan).

And, of course, since I'm there, "ps a" shows me that that the install
program would appear to be anaconda (in /usr/sbin, where it should be)
being interpreted by python (in /usr/bin, where it should be).

And "ps wwaux gives me the full set of options, a bit hard to see
through all the other processes. For me, that's

/usr/bin/python /usr/bin/anaconda --graphical --selinux --lang
ja_JP.UTF-8 --keymap jp106

since I let it go graphical and told it I was working in Japanese and
my keyboard is Japanese, etc.

anaconda. Now I remember having to restart anaconda by hand before,
too. Wish my memory were better.

> [... my short rant about the works of Poettering ...]
> No offense taken.

Thanks.

And thanks for reminding me about the virtual console being available
during the dedicated install session. Let's see how it plays out.

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Okay, it didn't work. Every way I tried activating the LVM volumes by
hand during the install process, the install process de-activated
them, unless I mounted them, and then it borked when it tried to
de-activate them.

(Let the bug catcher file a bug on it: bugzilla 834733.)

Thanks anyway, Mateusz.

On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Mateusz Marzantowicz
> <mmarzantowicz@osdf.com.pl> wrote:
>> On 22.06.2012 19:29, Joel Rees wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Mateusz Marzantowicz
>>> <mmarzantowicz@osdf.com.pl> wrote:
>>>> On 20.06.2012 16:13, Joel Rees wrote:
>>>>> Tried preupgrade, but it can't find my old system, and kicks the
>>>>> upgrade process to the curb.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then I tried the netinstall CD and it can't find my old system, either.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking around, I see a bit of discussion of problems with the install
>>>>> process recognizing *LVM partitions. Rescue mode boot of the
>>>>> netinstall CD appears to be unable to mount LVM partitions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know of a work-around short of backing up /etc and /home
>>>>> and doing a fresh install?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Joel Rees
>>>> Fedora LiveCD should recognize partitions on LVM and RAID even with
>>>> encryption.
>>> And what good does that do me? Or is there a LiveCD that does upgrades?
>>
>> I'm not sure because I've installed my Fedora form netinstall cd but as
>> I remember there is an option to fresh install form Live CD (maybe an
>> upgrade is also available.)
>
> I couldn't find an upgrade option the last time I looked, but it was
> the security spin (F16), not the basic F16 Live CD. so maybe there's a
> difference.
>
>> But my original answer was to your need of
>> doing backup, so Live CD seemed to be perfect for this job.
>
> Well, checking my original post, I left off the detail that I can
> still boot in the old F15 system. But thanks, anyway.
>
>>> Well, the netinstall CD does have lvm command line tools on it.
>>>
>>> Right now I'm reading the device mapper commands. If I find the right
>>> commands to activate the logical partitions, I still need to know the
>>> name of the install command so I can re-start the install/upgrade
>>> process after dropping out to a shell. The command does not seem to be
>>> called "install", at any rate.
>>>
>>> (Can't remember whether I've done this on Fedora. Last time I did this
>>> kind of thing on openBSD, it was just "install" there, as I recall.)
>>
>> I'm really surprised that anaconda doesn't recognized your LVM
>> partitions. I had a problem with broken installation so I restarted it
>> (reboot) and I was able to partition my disk again (including LVM
>> changes etc.)
>
> I was also surprised. Booting the netinstall CD, I notice that there
> is an unnamed daemon that systemd can't get started, leaving a message
> on the top of the screen somewhere along the way to multiuser.
>
>> To see the command, start the installer (anaconda) by booting your
>> computer and then drop to shell and type in ps command. That should give
>> you the command to start anaconda again. You might also try to do what's
>> needed in parallel with the installer on that additional terminals.
>
> OH, YES!
>
> Now I remember using the virtual console during installs in the past.
> Let's see what that buys me.
>
> Found this with Google:
>
> http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Logical_Volume_Manager_Administration/cluster_activation.html
>
> Elsewhere in there it mentions vgscan and lvscan, which give me the
> logical paths I need for the argument to lvchange -aly . And running
>
> lvchange -aly 'dev/<volumeLabel>' with the appropriate <volumeLabel>s
> gets my lvm volumes activated (confirmed with another quick lvscan).
>
> And, of course, since I'm there, "ps a" shows me that that the install
> program would appear to be anaconda (in /usr/sbin, where it should be)
> being interpreted by python (in /usr/bin, where it should be).
>
> And "ps wwaux gives me the full set of options, a bit hard to see
> through all the other processes. For me, that's
>
> /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/anaconda --graphical --selinux --lang
> ja_JP.UTF-8 --keymap jp106
>
> since I let it go graphical and told it I was working in Japanese and
> my keyboard is Japanese, etc.
>
> anaconda. Now I remember having to restart anaconda by hand before,
> too. Wish my memory were better.
>
>> [... my short rant about the works of Poettering ...]
>> No offense taken.
>
> Thanks.
>
> And thanks for reminding me about the virtual console being available
> during the dedicated install session. Let's see how it plays out.
>
> --
> Joel Rees



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