On 2012/04/16 02:04, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:

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On 04/13/2012 06:40 PM, jdow wrote:

It might help if you washed them once and awhile.

{O.O} (You should know by not I lurk here and NO good
straight-line is safe.)


Washing tends to make them fall apart faster, not slower (intense
mechanical agitation and all that .

Bryn.


Dirt embedded within the fabric causes more wear with flexing. And some
"gunk" that gets on shirts dries stiffly leading to high stress points
at the edges of the dried gunk - like Elmer's Glue, cyano-acrylate, and
other fun stuff you might find yourself playing with.

You have raised an interesting question that is incredibly far off topic.
Is there an optimum time to wash clothing relative to accumulated dirt of
various types irrespective of odors generated?

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On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:04:45AM +0100, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
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> On 04/13/2012 06:40 PM, jdow wrote:
> > It might help if you washed them once and awhile.
> >
> > {O.O} (You should know by not I lurk here and NO good
> > straight-line is safe.)
>
> Washing tends to make them fall apart faster, not slower (intense
> mechanical agitation and all that .

I would think dry-cleaning would be the proper way to do it, no?


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On 2012/04/16 07:28, fred smith wrote:

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:04:45AM +0100, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:

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On 04/13/2012 06:40 PM, jdow wrote:

It might help if you washed them once and awhile.

{O.O} (You should know by not I lurk here and NO good
straight-line is safe.)


Washing tends to make them fall apart faster, not slower (intense
mechanical agitation and all that .


I would think dry-cleaning would be the proper way to do it, no?


I don't think I've ever tried to get a tee-shirt dry cleaned. It MIGHT
work. Dry clean is a third best to actually washing the clothing in a
suitable detergent. (Best is a phosphate bearing detergent if you can
find one with phosphates in it and really want clean. Ditto for dish
washing, too. That's once a year whether they need it or not, right?
<Sigh - hoists a glass saluting the good old days!>)

Now, how can we tie this back to Linux? Anybody made a Fedora controlled
washing machine? Why not?

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On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:37:33AM -0700, jdow wrote:
> On 2012/04/16 07:28, fred smith wrote:
> >On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:04:45AM +0100, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
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> >>On 04/13/2012 06:40 PM, jdow wrote:
> >>>It might help if you washed them once and awhile.
> >>>
> >>>{O.O} (You should know by not I lurk here and NO good
> >>>straight-line is safe.)
> >>
> >>Washing tends to make them fall apart faster, not slower (intense
> >>mechanical agitation and all that .
> >
> >I would think dry-cleaning would be the proper way to do it, no?
>
> I don't think I've ever tried to get a tee-shirt dry cleaned. It MIGHT
> work. Dry clean is a third best to actually washing the clothing in a
> suitable detergent. (Best is a phosphate bearing detergent if you can
> find one with phosphates in it and really want clean. Ditto for dish
> washing, too. That's once a year whether they need it or not, right?
> <Sigh - hoists a glass saluting the good old days!>)
>
> Now, how can we tie this back to Linux? Anybody made a Fedora controlled
> washing machine? Why not?

tying back to RH: I was specifically thinking of the red fedora when I
suggested dry cleaning.


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Once upon a time, fred smith <fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us> said:
> tying back to RH: I was specifically thinking of the red fedora when I
> suggested dry cleaning.

My local dry cleaners that I trust wouldn't take my red fedora - they
said they weren't set up to handle it.
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On 2012/04/16 12:18, fred smith wrote:

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:37:33AM -0700, jdow wrote:

On 2012/04/16 07:28, fred smith wrote:

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:04:45AM +0100, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:

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On 04/13/2012 06:40 PM, jdow wrote:

It might help if you washed them once and awhile.

{O.O} (You should know by not I lurk here and NO good
straight-line is safe.)


Washing tends to make them fall apart faster, not slower (intense
mechanical agitation and all that .


I would think dry-cleaning would be the proper way to do it, no?


I don't think I've ever tried to get a tee-shirt dry cleaned. It MIGHT
work. Dry clean is a third best to actually washing the clothing in a
suitable detergent. (Best is a phosphate bearing detergent if you can
find one with phosphates in it and really want clean. Ditto for dish
washing, too. That's once a year whether they need it or not, right?
<Sigh - hoists a glass saluting the good old days!>)

Now, how can we tie this back to Linux? Anybody made a Fedora controlled
washing machine? Why not?


tying back to RH: I was specifically thinking of the red fedora when I
suggested dry cleaning.


A yes. That would be appropriate, methinks.

(Now I need a little Raspberry PI to monitor the washing machine and drier
so it can send a wireless message to the computer room telling me the laundry
is done. I like that idea I tossed off at random.)

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Quoting jdow <jdow@earthlink.net>:


On 2012/04/16 12:18, fred smith wrote:

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:37:33AM -0700, jdow wrote:

On 2012/04/16 07:28, fred smith wrote:

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:04:45AM +0100, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:

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On 04/13/2012 06:40 PM, jdow wrote:

It might help if you washed them once and awhile.

{O.O} (You should know by not I lurk here and NO good
straight-line is safe.)


Washing tends to make them fall apart faster, not slower (intense
mechanical agitation and all that .


I would think dry-cleaning would be the proper way to do it, no?


I don't think I've ever tried to get a tee-shirt dry cleaned. It MIGHT
work. Dry clean is a third best to actually washing the clothing in a
suitable detergent. (Best is a phosphate bearing detergent if you can
find one with phosphates in it and really want clean. Ditto for dish
washing, too. That's once a year whether they need it or not, right?
<Sigh - hoists a glass saluting the good old days!>)

Now, how can we tie this back to Linux? Anybody made a Fedora controlled
washing machine? Why not?


tying back to RH: I was specifically thinking of the red fedora when I
suggested dry cleaning.


A yes. That would be appropriate, methinks.

(Now I need a little Raspberry PI to monitor the washing machine and drier
so it can send a wireless message to the computer room telling me the laundry
is done. I like that idea I tossed off at random.)


any rationale that gets me a Pi will do...

d



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On 4/16/2012 2:37 PM, jdow wrote:

On 2012/04/16 07:28, fred smith wrote:

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:04:45AM +0100, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:

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On 04/13/2012 06:40 PM, jdow wrote:

It might help if you washed them once and awhile.

{O.O} (You should know by not I lurk here and NO good
straight-line is safe.)


Washing tends to make them fall apart faster, not slower (intense
mechanical agitation and all that .


I would think dry-cleaning would be the proper way to do it, no?


I don't think I've ever tried to get a tee-shirt dry cleaned. It MIGHT
work. Dry clean is a third best to actually washing the clothing in a
suitable detergent. (Best is a phosphate bearing detergent if you can
find one with phosphates in it and really want clean. Ditto for dish
washing, too. That's once a year whether they need it or not, right?
<Sigh - hoists a glass saluting the good old days!>)

Now, how can we tie this back to Linux? Anybody made a Fedora controlled
washing machine? Why not?

Before the advent of soap/detergent what was used as a cleaning
component? How did a Roman keep their toga fresh and clean? :-)


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On 04/16/2012 05:22 AM, jdow wrote:

On 2012/04/16 02:04, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:

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On 04/13/2012 06:40 PM, jdow wrote:

It might help if you washed them once and awhile.

{O.O} (You should know by not I lurk here and NO good
straight-line is safe.)


Washing tends to make them fall apart faster, not slower (intense
mechanical agitation and all that .

Bryn.


Dirt embedded within the fabric causes more wear with flexing. And some
"gunk" that gets on shirts dries stiffly leading to high stress points
at the edges of the dried gunk - like Elmer's Glue, cyano-acrylate, and
other fun stuff you might find yourself playing with.

You have raised an interesting question that is incredibly far off topic.
Is there an optimum time to wash clothing relative to accumulated dirt of
various types irrespective of odors generated?


Since that was my industry for 26 years, no. Depends on the nature of
the stain (animal fat, petroleum, mineral or protein) and the pH of it.
I guess as a rule of thumb, anything shorter than 8-10 minutes just in
the wash cycle (not subsequent rinses, etc) is a waste of resources. It
takes time, with the proper chemicals, temperatures and mechanical
action. Enzymes take even longer, 15 minutes or more, at skin
temperature. They have all kinds of bugs that will eat just about
anything, leaving the fabric completely intact. They will also eat you.
Leave that one to professionals.


Since we are TOTALLY offtopic I'll share this one with everyone. Take 1
part of nail polish remover (acetate based) and 10 parts liquid
detergent to make a spotter that will get rid of just about any tough
stain, including set ink, if you work it gently and long enough. Enjoy! Ric



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On 04/16/2012 03:24 PM, Chris Adams wrote:

Once upon a time, fred smith<fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us> said:

tying back to RH: I was specifically thinking of the red fedora when I
suggested dry cleaning.


My local dry cleaners that I trust wouldn't take my red fedora - they
said they weren't set up to handle it.


If it bled it would wreck the perc (dry cleaning fluid) and then they
would have to distill it all to remove the dye. Any sort of washing will
remove the starch/sizing and then lose the finish and shape. If it's
made from blocked felt then it would be completely wrecked and
worthless. You can attempt to lightly brush it clean. Ric



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