On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:32:34 -0300, GAR (Germán) wrote:

> On 04/11/2012 10:20 AM, Lawrence Graves wrote:
> > I am sorry. Some of the what I wrote got cut off. I was talking about
> > Fedora 17 Beta RC4 release.
> >
> > On 04/11/2012 07:13 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> >> On 11/04/12 14:08, Lawrence Graves wrote:
> >>> Just want to ask one question. What is Fedora 17
> >>
> >> No idea,
> >> didn't know it was released.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Lawrence Graves All things are workable but don't all things work.
> >
> >
>
> What Frank means is that you should ask your question to the devel list
> (devel@lists.fedoraproject.org) because F17 was not released yet
>
> Germán.
>

test list actually, because devel list is for general development
discussion related to Fedora, and test list is for test releases
(including Rawhide):

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/
-> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
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On 04/11/2012 10:34 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:



You can still login at this prompt with your 'root' account and
password. From that point, you can look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see
what happened that caused your X Window System to fail. If you want
to post that for people here to look at and offer advice, please
*don't* attach the file to your email. It will probably be too big
and your message won't come through. Instead, post it somewhere like
http://fpaste.org and send a link to your paste here.




That's true it is a fairly generic question, however, the OP did state
he'd tried to login with root and failed. Sounds to me like X wasn't
the only thing that is having issues.


Although it could be the password he used. I noticed one time that the
password I was using simply wouldn't work on the initial install of
Fedora no matter how many times I installed it. It did work however
after changing it once I got it installed.




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On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 07:08 -0600, Lawrence Graves wrote:
> Just want to ask one question. What is Fedora 17 looking for when it
> boots up and ask for localhost login. Everything I have tried has
> failed. Please help.

Once again, F17 is an unreleased system so please keep it to the Test
list, not here. If you follow this list you'll have seen a recent thread
on exactly this point.

poc

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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:06:50AM -0400, Mark Haney wrote:
> On 04/11/2012 10:34 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> >You can still login at this prompt with your 'root' account and
> >password. From that point, you can look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see
> >what happened that caused your X Window System to fail. If you want
> >to post that for people here to look at and offer advice, please
> >*don't* attach the file to your email. It will probably be too big
> >and your message won't come through. Instead, post it somewhere like
> >http://fpaste.org and send a link to your paste here.
>
> That's true it is a fairly generic question, however, the OP did
> state he'd tried to login with root and failed. Sounds to me like X
> wasn't the only thing that is having issues.
>
> Although it could be the password he used. I noticed one time that
> the password I was using simply wouldn't work on the initial install
> of Fedora no matter how many times I installed it. It did work
> however after changing it once I got it installed.

To the OP: If you'r having trouble with the root password, and you're
sure you typed it correctly -- you can do the following:

1. At the GRUB boot menu, hit Tab to edit the default entry.
2. Go down to the (long, multi-line) entry that starts with "linux"
and add " 1" (that's a space and then a number 1) to the end.
3. Hit F10 to accept the changes for this session, and boot.
4. At the prompt, type the following command to reset the root
password:
passwd
5. You can then type the following command to complete normal startup:
systemctl isolate default.target

HTH.

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On 04/11/2012 09:23 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

Once again, F17 is an unreleased system so please keep it to the Test
list, not here. If you follow this list you'll have seen a recent thread
on exactly this point.


I've been on this list for some time, now, and unless my memory's worse
than I think it is, we've never[1] had a problem with members posting
questions here about the next version of Fedora. Suddenly, there've
been a whole bunch of posts about F17 and its various betas and RC
versions. Not only that, the fact that every time it happens the poster
is pointed to the proper list doesn't keep it from happening again, and
not all of the posters doing this are new to the list. Some of them are
people I recognize as regulars on this list who should have seen the
other threads and known where the proper list for their issues was.


I'm not judging any of you who have done this, because I'm not
interested in arguing about this. I'm only making an observation and
wondering why.


[1]Well, hardly ever.
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 17:17, Joe Zeff <joe@zeff.us> wrote:
> I'm not judging any of you who have done this, because I'm not interested in
> arguing about this. *I'm only making an observation and wondering why.

Yes, I remember a thread for instance about how bad it was for "the
next fedora version" to include BTRFS. That'd have been inappropiate
too as the next version "wasn't still released" and thus talking about
it didn't belong on this list. Yet, that thread went on for weeks as
far as I remember.

But let's respect the wishes of the list rules enforcers, please.

Life is too short to lose time on mailing list fights. (gosh, I'm
getting too old, I thought I'd never say that .

FC

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On 04/11/2012 01:45 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:

But let's respect the wishes of the list rules enforcers, please.


And in writing that, you've completely ignored the reason people get
pointed to the test list and insulted those doing the pointing.


The test list is intended for people who are using the next, un-released
version of Fedora to help one another with issues and find out how to
get everything working. All of them are using it, at least part of the
time and they're familiar with its issues, quirks and shortfalls. We
aren't, because the vast majority of us aren't interested in playing
around with beta versions; we're just interested in getting things done
so we stick with the currently supported, officially released versions.
You don't go to a Linux list to ask Windows questions, so why should
you go to a list for the production versions of Fedora to ask about a
beta version? To me, and probably most of the people reading this, the
sensible thing to do is to pick a list where the readers are using the
same version you are, and right now, if you're working with F17, that's
the test list.


Believe it or not, like it or not, pointing members asking about F17
toward the test list *is* helping them because it's telling them where
they can get their questions answered.

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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 18:07, Joe Zeff <joe@zeff.us> wrote:
> and insulted those doing the pointing.

Didnt mean to. Don't be overly sensitive Joe.
In the end he will go to the test list which is what everyone wants.

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On 04/11/2012 03:02 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:

Didnt mean to. Don't be overly sensitive Joe.


Just because you didn't mean to be offensive doesn't mean that you
didn't succeed. Personally, I wasn't offended, partly because I'm not
the poster being referred to. However, I've seen enough people here
taking offense when none was offered[1] to make me aware how easy it is
to ruffle some people's feathers by being sarcastic.


[1]An old friend of mine calls that being an "offense thief."
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Mark Haney <markh@abemblem.com> wrote:
> On 04/11/2012 10:34 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>
>>
>> You can still login at this prompt with your 'root' account and
>> password. *From that point, you can look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see
>> what happened that caused your X Window System to fail. *If you want
>> to post that for people here to look at and offer advice, please
>> *don't* attach the file to your email. *It will probably be too big
>> and your message won't come through. *Instead, post it somewhere like
>> http://fpaste.org and send a link to your paste here.
>>
>
>
> That's true it is a fairly generic question, however, the OP did state he'd
> tried to login with root and failed. *Sounds to me like X wasn't the only
> thing that is having issues.
>
> Although it could be the password he used. *I noticed one time that the
> password I was using simply wouldn't work on the initial install of Fedora
> no matter how many times I installed it. *It did work however after changing
> it once I got it installed.

Maybe keyboard definition issues?

My hardware tends to be Japanese, and sometimes the difference in key
positions has left me with a root password set assuming US English
layout. Some of the punctuation keys move when the full system boots
and the keyboard definition is correctly set. If I work out what moved
where, I can log in.

But sometimes it's easier to just boot single user and set the
password again. (Don't have all the layouts memorized.)

Lately, I am beginning to doubt the wisdom of always hiding the
password when you're setting it, especially now that proper passwords
are generally understood to be long and convoluted. It would sometimes
be nice to have a "Debug keyboard" or "I've checked, nobody's looking
over my shoulder, and I need to see what I'm typing." button.

Setting up a new system is, statistically speaking, sometimes going to
require some debugging until we can put the WINTEL-pseudo-standard
infected hardware behind us. (And I don't even see Apple trying to do
that, now.)

Of course, you can always try the keys that might have moved --
()[]{}"'=;:+*-_| and so forth -- where you'd type a user name. You
often have to think in reverse, of course, as in, "I thought I was
typing left-bracket, what would that have been?"

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