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Old 03-25-2012, 03:29 PM
Michael Hennebry
 
Default minimal install CD versus Pentium 4

I've tried to install F16 using its minimal CD and its iso file.
The CD will not boot.
Has anyone gotten this combination to boot?

Most recently I used tab and backspaced over quiet.
Since I didn't have a running system running, I had to copy the result by hand:
[1.429346] ---cut here---
kernel BUG at arch/x86/kernel/traps.c:531!
invalid opcode 0000 [#1] SMP
Modules linked in:

Pid 1: 1, comm: swapper Not tainted 3.1.0-7.f16.i686 #1 Daktech**DT6000* /D865GBF
EIP: 0060:[<c0811b4e>] EFLAGS: 00010006 CPU: 1
EIP is at do_nmi+0x22/0x280
EAX: ec498000 EBX: 9ed363a7 ECX: 00000000 EDX: ec499b0c
ESI: ec499b38 EDI: c0a5c746 EBP: ec499b30 ESP: ec499b0c
DS: 007b ES: 007b FS: 00d8 GS: 00e0 SS: 0068
Process swapper (pid: 1, t:=0c490000 task=ec49000 task.ti=ec498?00)
Stack:
00000000 00000002 00000001 ffff0005 ec499bc8 9ed3c63a7 ?f8ce356
c0a5c746 ecbcb8c0 c08117bc 9ed363a7 00000000 ff8ce356 ?0a5c746
ecbcb8c0 000054b2 c05c00b7 0000007b 000000e0 000054b2 ?05c9745
call trace

Every line began [1.429346]
The *s represent little circles.
The question marks are the result of wrap-around and
my screen apparently being 79.3 characters wide.
I expect that they should be the same as the hex digits following them.


The CD is not bad.
It's an exact copy of the iso from which it was made.
I read it back and did a diff to make sure.
The iso's sha256sum is
a4a7cc83163a2cecf1420c64d48123d0887e165aa17a72b892 0f8d70bf003a65 .
Any ideas?

In another thread,
it was suggested that this bugzilla entry might be pertinent:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=730007
While I can certainly see the relationship,
it's not obviously the same thing.
Anyone know for sure?

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Old 03-25-2012, 05:50 PM
stan
 
Default minimal install CD versus Pentium 4

On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 10:29:06 -0500 (CDT)
Michael Hennebry <hennebry@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:

> In another thread,
> it was suggested that this bugzilla entry might be pertinent:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=730007
> While I can certainly see the relationship,
> it's not obviously the same thing.

If you mean it isn't about someone being unable to boot the F16 DVD
from a hard drive on a P4 system, you are right. But it is certainly
suggestive that kernels after 3.0 fail to boot on some P4 systems, and
the F16 DVD comes with a kernel after 3.0. The 2.6.39 series were the
development branch for the 3.0 kernel releases.

The bugzilla suggested that boot problem for Pentium 4s was fixed
after the 3.2.8 series Fedora kernel. I think F17 will have a 3.3 or
later series kernel, so the fix will be incorporated. You could wait
until F17 is out, and install it instead of F16.

Or, if you can somehow get the latest F16 kernel and use it to boot the
F16 DVD ISO instead of the one that came on the DVD, it might work
for you since it will not have the problem described in that bugzilla.

Maybe open a new bugzilla for your problem, and get help from an expert
(which I am not).
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Old 03-25-2012, 08:44 PM
Aaron Konstam
 
Default minimal install CD versus Pentium 4

On Sun, 2012-03-25 at 10:50 -0700, stan wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 10:29:06 -0500 (CDT)
> Michael Hennebry <hennebry@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:
>
> > In another thread,
> > it was suggested that this bugzilla entry might be pertinent:
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=730007
> > While I can certainly see the relationship,
> > it's not obviously the same thing.
>
> If you mean it isn't about someone being unable to boot the F16 DVD
> from a hard drive on a P4 system, you are right. But it is certainly
> suggestive that kernels after 3.0 fail to boot on some P4 systems, and
> the F16 DVD comes with a kernel after 3.0. The 2.6.39 series were the
> development branch for the 3.0 kernel releases.
>
> The bugzilla suggested that boot problem for Pentium 4s was fixed
> after the 3.2.8 series Fedora kernel. I think F17 will have a 3.3 or
> later series kernel, so the fix will be incorporated. You could wait
> until F17 is out, and install it instead of F16.
>
> Or, if you can somehow get the latest F16 kernel and use it to boot the
> F16 DVD ISO instead of the one that came on the DVD, it might work
> for you since it will not have the problem described in that bugzilla.
>
> Maybe open a new bugzilla for your problem, and get help from an expert
> (which I am not).

Installing from the F16 DVD worked fine on my P4 except that I can only
get failswafe Mode. Which is strange since the Live CD comes up with
normal Gnome 3. Some one said in a note earlier today that would lead me
to find out why the installed system only works in fail safe mode but it
doesn't.. Does it to anyone else.
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Old 03-26-2012, 02:46 AM
Joe Zeff
 
Default minimal install CD versus Pentium 4

On 03/25/2012 01:44 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:

Some one said in a note earlier today that would lead me
to find out why the installed system only works in fail safe mode but it
doesn't.. Does it to anyone else.


As I wrote at the time, this allows you to make sure it's not hardware
related. There may be a problem with the newest kernel combined with
your graphics driver. (ATI?) Fedora generally keeps several kernels;
do any of them work with Gnome3 now?


Remember, a large part of trouble-shooting is going down one blind alley
after another until one of them isn't.

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Old 03-26-2012, 03:56 PM
Michael Hennebry
 
Default minimal install CD versus Pentium 4

On Sun, 25 Mar 2012, Joe Zeff wrote:


On 03/25/2012 01:44 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:

Some one said in a note earlier today that would lead me
to find out why the installed system only works in fail safe mode but it
doesn't.. Does it to anyone else.


As I wrote at the time, this allows you to make sure it's not hardware
related. There may be a problem with the newest kernel combined with
your graphics driver. (ATI?) Fedora generally keeps several kernels;
do any of them work with Gnome3 now?


In case I wasn't clear earlier,
the minimal CD did not allow me to install a system.
Perhaps this will be helpful: http://fedora.12.n6.nabble.com/Is-there-some-trick-to-booting-F16-minimal-install-CD-td4556930.html

Remember, a large part of trouble-shooting is going down one blind alley
after another until one of them isn't.


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Old 03-26-2012, 05:31 PM
Bill Davidsen
 
Default minimal install CD versus Pentium 4

Michael Hennebry wrote:

On Sun, 25 Mar 2012, Joe Zeff wrote:


On 03/25/2012 01:44 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:

Some one said in a note earlier today that would lead me
to find out why the installed system only works in fail safe mode but it
doesn't.. Does it to anyone else.


As I wrote at the time, this allows you to make sure it's not hardware
related. There may be a problem with the newest kernel combined with
your graphics driver. (ATI?) Fedora generally keeps several kernels;
do any of them work with Gnome3 now?


In case I wasn't clear earlier,
the minimal CD did not allow me to install a system.
Perhaps this will be helpful:
http://fedora.12.n6.nabble.com/Is-there-some-trick-to-booting-F16-minimal-install-CD-td4556930.html

My only thought is that you may have the wrong DVD, since I just did an
install on a laptop with a decade-old Pentium-M CPU. I worked, I can't
complain, I believe the video driver even produced an image under
GNOME3, although I went with LXDE instead so I can easily put stuff I
use all the time on the tool bar.


Another thing you might try is the "Live-CD" install if the object is
just to get it working. Without firing up another system I can't
remember if the P4 has PAE or not, do know that about yours before
trying the install.



Remember, a large part of trouble-shooting is going down one blind
alley after another until one of them isn't.





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Old 03-26-2012, 07:17 PM
James Wilkinson
 
Default minimal install CD versus Pentium 4

Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Another thing you might try is the "Live-CD" install if the object
> is just to get it working. Without firing up another system I can't
> remember if the P4 has PAE or not, do know that about yours before
> trying the install.

Yes, it does.

However, earlier P4s didn’t have NX/XD, and unless you have more than
2GB of memory in the system, you’d probably be slightly better off with
a non-PAE kernel on those systems. But there’s not much in it.

Hope this helps,

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Old 03-26-2012, 11:48 PM
Patrick O'Callaghan
 
Default minimal install CD versus Pentium 4

On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 18:50 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> > My only thought is that you may have the wrong DVD, since I just did an
> > install on a laptop with a decade-old Pentium-M CPU. I worked, I can't
> > complain, I believe the video driver even produced an image under
> > GNOME3, although I went with LXDE instead so I can easily put stuff I
> > use all the time on the tool bar.
>
> I got it from here:
> http://mirrors.reflected.net/fedora/linux//releases/16/Fedora/i386/os/images/boot.iso
> The images I copied from the F16 DVD iso are also on .../boot.iso .
>
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012, James Wilkinson wrote:
>
> > Bill Davidsen wrote:
> >> Another thing you might try is the "Live-CD" install if the object
> >> is just to get it working. Without firing up another system I can't
> >> remember if the P4 has PAE or not, do know that about yours before
> >> trying the install.
> >
> > Yes, it does.
> >
> > However, earlier P4s didn’t have NX/XD, and unless you have more than
> > 2GB of memory in the system, you’d probably be slightly better off with
> > a non-PAE kernel on those systems. But there’s not much in it.
>
> My machine has 4 GB.
> I got in March 2006. NX for pentium 4s were available in 2004.
> That said, how do I find out for sure whether my pentium has NX?

grep -i nx /proc/cpuinfo

poc

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Old 03-26-2012, 11:50 PM
Michael Hennebry
 
Default minimal install CD versus Pentium 4

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012, Bill Davidsen wrote:

My only thought is that you may have the wrong DVD, since I just did an
install on a laptop with a decade-old Pentium-M CPU. I worked, I can't
complain, I believe the video driver even produced an image under
GNOME3, although I went with LXDE instead so I can easily put stuff I
use all the time on the tool bar.


I got it from here:
http://mirrors.reflected.net/fedora/linux//releases/16/Fedora/i386/os/images/boot.iso
The images I copied from the F16 DVD iso are also on .../boot.iso .

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012, James Wilkinson wrote:


Bill Davidsen wrote:

Another thing you might try is the "Live-CD" install if the object
is just to get it working. Without firing up another system I can't
remember if the P4 has PAE or not, do know that about yours before
trying the install.


Yes, it does.

However, earlier P4s didnʼt have NX/XD, and unless you have more than
2GB of memory in the system, youʼd probably be slightly better off with
a non-PAE kernel on those systems. But thereʼs not much in it.


My machine has 4 GB.
I got in March 2006. NX for pentium 4s were available in 2004.
That said, how do I find out for sure whether my pentium has NX?

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Old 03-27-2012, 02:48 PM
Michael Hennebry
 
Default minimal install CD versus Pentium 4

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:


On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 18:50 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:



My machine has 4 GB.
I got in March 2006. NX for pentium 4s were available in 2004.
That said, how do I find out for sure whether my pentium has NX?


grep -i nx /proc/cpuinfo


Stepping 9.
No NX.

Of course, the next question is whether the installer or installee require NX.

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