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Old 02-18-2012, 02:59 AM
Les Howell
 
Default issues logging in after fresh install fc16

OK, I have never had such issues....
I have read and tried many things on users groups, on various mailing lists and my good friend google, but so far it has been 12 hours with no joy...

The process I followed is:
1. back up all users using TAR.
2. segment the tar files using split to get several sequential files of 2G sizes.
3. save that to an older windows formatted USB disk (this has all worked multiple times)
4. Remove all drives I don't want affected by the install (purely a preventive measure due to a stumple finger one time in the past)
5.* reboot, with the install dvd in the drive
6. install
: all good, got my admin privilege user and could boot to rescue mode if needed.
7. copy the splits back to /home , use cat to rejoin them and tar -xf.
: all good user directories fully restored.
8.* go to add users
and groups and add the users.* Note the changes to 1000 sequence numbers, and so go to the directories and do the chgrp, chown commands
double check that all is well.
: minor users log in as expected

BUT my big user (me) with all kinds of settings doesn't log.* got the infamous .ICEauthority error.* Fixed that by booting to recover mode and changing the .ICEauthority permissions, group and owner.

NEW problem* ON login I get the Fedora version of BSD "Oh No! something has gone wrong"* Only option button is logout. This is not helpful...

*Also get a SELinux alert but of course can't read it due to the logout button screen blocking the world from view.

Logging on as root user, checking the .xsession-errors I find a rather long file ending with the following:

(tracker-miner-fs:1803): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: Error while sending AddMatch() message: The connection is
closed

(tracker-miner-fs:1803): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: Error while sending AddMatch() message: The connection is closed

(tracker-miner-fs:1803): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: Error while sending AddMatch() message: The connection is closed

(tracker-miner-fs:1803): GVFS-RemoteVolumeMonitor-WARNING **: cannot remove match rule 'type='signal',interface='org.gtk.Private.RemoteVo lumeMonitor',sender='org.gtk.Private.AfcVolumeMoni tor',': org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.

(tracker-miner-fs:1803): GVFS-RemoteVolumeMonitor-WARNING **: cannot remove match rule 'type='signal',interface='org.freedesktop.DBus',me mber='NameOwnerChanged',arg0='org.gtk.Private.AfcV olumeMonitor': org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected: Connection is
closed

(tracker-miner-fs:1803): GVFS-RemoteVolumeMonitor-WARNING **: cannot remove match rule 'type='signal',interface='org.gtk.Private.RemoteVo lumeMonitor',sender='org.gtk.Private.GPhoto2Volume Monitor',': org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected: Connection is closed

(tracker-miner-fs:1803): GVFS-RemoteVolumeMonitor-WARNING **: cannot remove match rule 'type='signal',interface='org.freedesktop.DBus',me mber='NameOwnerChanged',arg0='org.gtk.Private.GPho to2VolumeMonitor': org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected: Connection is closed

(tracker-miner-fs:1803): GVFS-RemoteVolumeMonitor-WARNING **: cannot remove match rule 'type='signal',interface='org.gtk.Private.RemoteVo lumeMonitor',sender='org.gtk.Private.GduVolumeMoni tor',': org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected: Connection is closed

(tracker-miner-fs:1803): GVFS-RemoteVolumeMonitor-WARNING **: cannot remove match rule
'type='signal',interface='org.freedesktop.DBus',me mber='NameOwnerChanged',arg0='org.gtk.Private.GduV olumeMonitor': org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected: Connection is closed

OK

Any suggestions?* I don't even know what I would google for to figure this one out.

Regards,
Les H
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Old 02-18-2012, 03:29 AM
Tim
 
Default issues logging in after fresh install fc16

On Fri, 2012-02-17 at 19:59 -0800, Les Howell wrote:
> NEW problem ON login I get the Fedora version of BSD "Oh No!
> something has gone wrong" Only option button is logout. This is not
> helpful...

Agreed.

> Also get a SELinux alert but of course can't read it due to the
> logout button screen blocking the world from view.

Sometimes left or right clicking on some other part of the screen,
apparently with no reaction, does prove useful in a delayed manner
(something else shows up, or you do actually manage to log in despite
the appearance that you're not going to be allowed to).

Have you done a "yum update" after your install? That made it usable
for me.

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Old 02-18-2012, 09:05 AM
Les Howell
 
Default issues logging in after fresh install fc16

--- On Fri, 2/17/12, Tim <ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

From: Tim <ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: issues logging in after fresh install fc16
To: "Community support for Fedora users" <users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Date: Friday, February 17, 2012, 8:29 PM

On Fri, 2012-02-17 at 19:59 -0800, Les Howell wrote:
> NEW problem* ON login I get the Fedora version of BSD "Oh No!
> something has gone wrong"* Only option button is logout. This is not
> helpful...

Agreed.

>* Also get a SELinux alert but of course can't read it due to the
> logout button screen blocking the world from view.

Sometimes left or right
clicking on some other part of the screen,
apparently with no reaction, does prove useful in a delayed manner
(something else shows up, or you do actually manage to log in despite
the appearance that you're not going to be allowed to).

Have you done a "yum update" after your install?* That made it usable
for me.

--
[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r
2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686

Hi, Tim,
Yes, I did yum update immediately after the install.* Sorry I left that out of the log.
I am sure it is something in my user account that is messing up.* However I use a large number of tools, and have ongoing development of some software, some embedded stuff and two books in that directory, so I really* don't want to spend too much time trying out vearious things.* If there is a log to check, that would be wonderful.* dmesg didn't tell me anything useful.* I am still poking the carcass, and found a
few interesting things:
* 1. the add users tools is in the "other" portion of the menus.* I think it would be better in system tools.* There are a few other things I would move.* But I can't drag and drop them into the other menues.
* 2.* The shows what appears to be extra unformatted partitions on the disk, at least if I am reading it correctly.* Not to worry I know because I have plenty of space, I just wasn't expecting F16 to leave nearly half the disk unformatted.
*
* I am going to spend tomorrow on it, then if I cannot resolve the issue I will create a new user, and begin migrating directories one at a time until things work.* However this is no way the way things should work.* There is nothing more frustrating than a useless error message with no clue what caused it or where to look for more information.* Whoever wrote that little bit of trivia needs to revisit it and provide
some useful guidance.

And for those who don't like the new format of the desktop +1.... to get to a specific application before with a right click and a pull down, it is replaced with two clicks, a scroll some more clicks and other handwaving of one sort or another.* AND NO LIST.* What about the visually impared.* How can a screen reader deal with this?

Some lessons have to be learned again and again I guess.

Oh well, back to the original problem.* I think I will try another search based on the login time to see if I can find another error file updated.* I looked at a lot before I found the xsession-errors file that had been updated.* Maybe there is another I missed.

I will also try the trick of clicking somewhere else on the screen.* thanks,

Les H
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Old 02-18-2012, 02:27 PM
Genes MailLists
 
Default issues logging in after fresh install fc16

On 02/17/2012 10:59 PM, Les Howell wrote:
...
> 1. back up all users using TAR.
...
> 7. copy the splits back to /home , use cat to rejoin them and tar -xf.
> : all good user directories fully restored.

Most people have /home being a separate partition ... I'm not sure I
really understand your setup, but of course backups are good - however
there should be no need to re-copy /home/ if you keep it a separate
partition. It will also keep all the selinux labels and save you a lot
of bother.

gene
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Old 02-18-2012, 03:54 PM
Tim
 
Default issues logging in after fresh install fc16

On Sat, 2012-02-18 at 02:05 -0800, Les Howell wrote:
> And for those who don't like the new format of the desktop +1.... to
> get to a specific application before with a right click and a pull
> down, it is replaced with two clicks, a scroll some more clicks and
> other handwaving of one sort or another. AND NO LIST. What about the
> visually impared. How can a screen reader deal with this?

And the fun of looking through all the icons, or watching the system
grind its gears coping with masses of them (some off screen, some on
screen), on a system where someone has done a kitchen sink install.

Seriously, someone thought this was a good idea? I suppose they'd
prefer public libraries don't categorise the books, and don't shelve
them where you can look for them in logical places, but pile every book
on the floor.

After brief playing around with it, I decided it was an incredibly
stupid interface, and made use of the gnome fallback option, to give me
a Gnome 2 kind of interface. But it's still overblown and sluggish.

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Old 02-18-2012, 05:42 PM
les
 
Default issues logging in after fresh install fc16

On Sat, 2012-02-18 at 10:27 -0500, Genes MailLists wrote:
> On 02/17/2012 10:59 PM, Les Howell wrote:
> ...
> > 1. back up all users using TAR.
> ...
> > 7. copy the splits back to /home , use cat to rejoin them and tar -xf.
> > : all good user directories fully restored.
>
> Most people have /home being a separate partition ... I'm not sure I
> really understand your setup, but of course backups are good - however
> there should be no need to re-copy /home/ if you keep it a separate
> partition. It will also keep all the selinux labels and save you a lot
> of bother.
>
> gene

Hi, gene,
I know, and I even had a separate disk for the users for a while, which
I really like using. I can unplug it for some work, or even substitute
it for some security type work, but some time ago I had a problem with
the disk not mounting and I never got back to that method. Will the
selinux perform with a separate disk as well?

Regards,
Les H

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Old 02-18-2012, 07:23 PM
Genes MailLists
 
Default issues logging in after fresh install fc16

On 02/18/2012 01:42 PM, les wrote:

>
> Hi, gene,
> I know, and I even had a separate disk for the users for a while, which
> I really like using. I can unplug it for some work, or even substitute
> it for some security type work, but some time ago I had a problem with
> the disk not mounting and I never got back to that method. Will the
> selinux perform with a separate disk as well?
>
> Regards,
> Les H
>

yes - selinux doesn't really care ...
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Old 02-19-2012, 12:25 AM
Joe Zeff
 
Default issues logging in after fresh install fc16

On 02/18/2012 07:27 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:

Most people have /home being a separate partition ... I'm not sure I
really understand your setup, but of course backups are good - however
there should be no need to re-copy/home/ if you keep it a separate
partition. It will also keep all the selinux labels and save you a lot
of bother.


I would hope so, but AFAIK the default partitioning scheme puts
everything on one partition. And I'd be very, very surprised if you get
a separate /home when installing from a LiveCD, as many people do.

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Old 02-19-2012, 12:29 AM
Joe Zeff
 
Default issues logging in after fresh install fc16

On 02/18/2012 08:54 AM, Tim wrote:

After brief playing around with it, I decided it was an incredibly
stupid interface, and made use of the gnome fallback option, to give me
a Gnome 2 kind of interface. But it's still overblown and sluggish.


If you find Gnome, even in fallback mode to be sluggish, why stick with
it. There are a large number of other Desktop Environments available,
you know. Personally, I like XFCE, but YMMV and probably will.

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