FAQ Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
» Video Reviews

» Linux Archive

Linux-archive is a website aiming to archive linux email lists and to make them easily accessible for linux users/developers.


» Sponsor

» Partners

» Sponsor

Go Back   Linux Archive > Redhat > Fedora User

 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
 
Old 01-11-2012, 01:32 AM
Michael Hennebry
 
Default F16 changes

As my current installation is EOL,
there are things I would like to know before trying to install F16.
For me, installation has always been a struggle.
I approach new requirements with increased fear and trepidation.
I don't do upgrades.
It seems to me that an upgrade must be more complicated than
a straight install and I have enough trouble with that.

F16 seems to want GPT for disk partitioning.
What I have now works just fine.
Is GPT mandatory?
Assuming it is, under what conditions will a new partition be required?
My preference is not to mess with existing partitions.
I'm hoping GPT will not force me to.
Would changing to GPT pretty much guarantee stomping on my first partition?

The new lower limit of 1000 for normal user and group IDs is another issue.
The current user has IDs 500 and has rather
a lot of files that I want to keep.
Fedora's documentation says to use a kickstart file to keep 500.
Alas, my floppy drive no longer works.
Even if it did, I would not expect my first
hand-made kickstart file to work.
Is there a way to change the configuration
file before adding the first user?
Is there a reason that anaconda does not simply ask for the limits?

If I am feeling brave, I might try to install from hard disk.
Apparently, one can boot from a minimal CD
and point anaconda at an iso image.
Is this correct?
anaconda apparently only wants the name of the directory.
Does that mean that the DVD's iso image should
be the only file in the directory?
I see occasional references to images.
What are they for and how do they not mess up the finding of the DVD image?


Note that one reason for my frequent frustation
is that I have only one computer.
I cannot query the internet while running anaconda.
It seems to me that absent conflicts, there is no particular
reason one could not perform an installation from a running setup.


--
Michael hennebry@web.cs.ndsu.NoDak.edu
"On Monday, I'm gonna have to tell my kindergarten class,
whom I teach not to run with scissors,
that my fiance ran me through with a broadsword." -- Lily
--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
 
Old 01-11-2012, 02:00 AM
"T.C. Hollingsworth"
 
Default F16 changes

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Michael Hennebry
<hennebry@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:
> As my current installation is EOL,
> there are things I would like to know before trying to install F16.
> For me, installation has always been a struggle.
> I approach new requirements with increased fear and trepidation.
> I don't do upgrades.
> It seems to me that an upgrade must be more complicated than
> a straight install and I have enough trouble with that.
>
> F16 seems to want GPT for disk partitioning.
> What I have now works just fine.
> Is GPT mandatory?
> Assuming it is, under what conditions will a new partition be required?
> My preference is not to mess with existing partitions.
> I'm hoping GPT will not force me to.
> Would changing to GPT pretty much guarantee stomping on my first partition?

Ananconda will only use GPT partition tables when completely erasing
the existing partition table or installing on a completely empty
drive. Therefore, you do not have to remove your first partition, and
leaving it will guarantee that your partition table is not converted.

> The new lower limit of 1000 for normal user and group IDs is another issue.
> The current user has IDs 500 and has rather
> a lot of files that I want to keep.
> Fedora's documentation says to use a kickstart file to keep 500.
> Alas, my floppy drive no longer works.
> Even if it did, I would not expect my first
> hand-made kickstart file to work.
> Is there a way to change the configuration
> file before adding the first user?
> Is there a reason that anaconda does not simply ask for the limits?

IMHO, it would be easier to change your existing files to use the new
UID. That neatly avoids messing with anaconda/kickstart and ensures
you'll never have to mess with it again on future installs.

That being said, you can use a kickstart file from a local disk or the
network, you do not need a floppy drive. For more information, see
the following two sections of the Fedora Installation Guide:
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Installation_Guide/sn-automating-installation.html
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Installation_Guide/s1-kickstart2-startinginstall.html

> If I am feeling brave, I might try to install from hard disk.
> Apparently, one can boot from a minimal CD
> and point anaconda at an iso image.
> Is this correct?
> anaconda apparently only wants the name of the directory.
> Does that mean that the DVD's iso image should
> be the only file in the directory?
> I see occasional references to images.
> What are they for and how do they not mess up the finding of the DVD image?

This section of the installation guide explains how to install from an
ISO image on your hard drive in detail:
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Installation_Guide/s1-installationmethod-x86.html

Note that you don't even need a minimal installation CD, though it's a
bit more work:
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Installation_Guide/ap-medialess-install.html

> Note that one reason for my frequent frustation
> is that I have only one computer.
> I cannot query the internet while running anaconda.
> It seems to me that absent conflicts, there is no particular reason one
> could not perform an installation from a running setup.

-T.C.
--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
 
Old 01-11-2012, 02:51 AM
Mark LaPierre
 
Default F16 changes

On 01/10/2012 09:32 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:

As my current installation is EOL,
there are things I would like to know before trying to install F16.
For me, installation has always been a struggle.
I approach new requirements with increased fear and trepidation.
I don't do upgrades.
It seems to me that an upgrade must be more complicated than
a straight install and I have enough trouble with that.

F16 seems to want GPT for disk partitioning.
What I have now works just fine.
Is GPT mandatory?
Assuming it is, under what conditions will a new partition be required?
My preference is not to mess with existing partitions.
I'm hoping GPT will not force me to.
Would changing to GPT pretty much guarantee stomping on my first partition?

The new lower limit of 1000 for normal user and group IDs is another issue.
The current user has IDs 500 and has rather
a lot of files that I want to keep.
Fedora's documentation says to use a kickstart file to keep 500.
Alas, my floppy drive no longer works.
Even if it did, I would not expect my first
hand-made kickstart file to work.
Is there a way to change the configuration
file before adding the first user?
Is there a reason that anaconda does not simply ask for the limits?

If I am feeling brave, I might try to install from hard disk.
Apparently, one can boot from a minimal CD
and point anaconda at an iso image.
Is this correct?
anaconda apparently only wants the name of the directory.
Does that mean that the DVD's iso image should
be the only file in the directory?
I see occasional references to images.
What are they for and how do they not mess up the finding of the DVD image?


Note that one reason for my frequent frustation
is that I have only one computer.
I cannot query the internet while running anaconda.
It seems to me that absent conflicts, there is no particular reason one
could not perform an installation from a running setup.



Hey Michael,

Fedora is the upstream development environment for Red Hat Enterprise
Linux (RHEL). If you have issues with upgrades you might consider
installing CentOS 6.2 which is built from the RHEL source files. CentOS
6.2 has an EOL in 2017 so you would be set for at least five years if
you decide to go with that. Fedora has a new release every six months
and reaches EOL within two years.


All the issues you mention with disk partitions, and user/group IDs, and
the new and "improved" Gnome 3 that you didn't mention are not an issue
with CentOS 6.2. CentOS is from the same family of Linux "flavors" as
Fedora so you should feel very familiar with the environment.


Just a suggestion.

--
_
v
/(_)
^ ^ Mark LaPierre
Registerd Linux user No #267004
--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
 
Old 01-11-2012, 05:01 AM
Michael Hennebry
 
Default F16 changes

On Tue, 10 Jan 2012, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:


On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Michael Hennebry
<hennebry@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:

As my current installation is EOL,
there are things I would like to know before trying to install F16.



Is GPT mandatory?



Ananconda will only use GPT partition tables when completely erasing
the existing partition table or installing on a completely empty
drive. Therefore, you do not have to remove your first partition, and
leaving it will guarantee that your partition table is not converted.


Very good news.
Thank you.


The new lower limit of 1000 for normal user and group IDs is another issue.
The current user has IDs 500 and has rather
a lot of files that I want to keep.
Fedora's documentation says to use a kickstart file to keep 500.



IMHO, it would be easier to change your existing files to use the new
UID. That neatly avoids messing with anaconda/kickstart and ensures
you'll never have to mess with it again on future installs.


That makes sense and I had considered it.
In principle, I know how to do it with the find command,
and I could live with the time-stamp change,
but I approach wide-ranging changes like that
with the aforementioned fear and trepidation.
For me, the issue is what am I least likely to mess up.
Absent something tidier or easier,
my thought would be to make the first user a dummy,
edit the configuration files and add the real user.

That the change seems gratuitous is another reason for feeling stubborn.
Is there really a need for hundreds of fake users?


That being said, you can use a kickstart file from a local disk or the
network, you do not need a floppy drive. For more information, see
the following two sections of the Fedora Installation Guide:
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Installation_Guide/sn-automating-installation.html
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Installation_Guide/s1-kickstart2-startinginstall.html


That still leaves the issue of writing a kickstart file that works.
Each test requires a reboot and might take a long time to reach an error.
I really don't want surprises during an install.


If I am feeling brave, I might try to install from hard disk.
Apparently, one can boot from a minimal CD
and point anaconda at an iso image.
Is this correct?
anaconda apparently only wants the name of the directory.
Does that mean that the DVD's iso image should
be the only file in the directory?
I see occasional references to images.
What are they for and how do they not mess up the finding of the DVD image?


This section of the installation guide explains how to install from an
ISO image on your hard drive in detail:
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Installation_Guide/s1-installationmethod-x86.html

Note that you don't even need a minimal installation CD, though it's a
bit more work:
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Installation_Guide/ap-medialess-install.html


I tried that on the current install.
Before giving up, I barely managed to not throw my computer against a wall,
hence the willingness to use a CD.

--
Michael hennebry@web.cs.ndsu.NoDak.edu
"On Monday, I'm gonna have to tell my kindergarten class,
whom I teach not to run with scissors,
that my fiance ran me through with a broadsword." -- Lily
--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
 
Old 01-11-2012, 05:06 AM
Michael Hennebry
 
Default F16 changes

On Tue, 10 Jan 2012, Mark LaPierre wrote:


On 01/10/2012 09:32 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:

As my current installation is EOL,
there are things I would like to know before trying to install F16.
For me, installation has always been a struggle.


Fedora is the upstream development environment for Red Hat Enterprise
Linux (RHEL). If you have issues with upgrades you might consider
installing CentOS 6.2 which is built from the RHEL source files. CentOS
6.2 has an EOL in 2017 so you would be set for at least five years if
you decide to go with that. Fedora has a new release every six months
and reaches EOL within two years.


That is an idea that I have been toying with.
If I do it, I'll probably start with a triple boot:
F-EOL, F16, CentOS 6.2.

All the issues you mention with disk partitions, and user/group IDs, and
the new and "improved" Gnome 3 that you didn't mention are not an issue
with CentOS 6.2. CentOS is from the same family of Linux "flavors" as
Fedora so you should feel very familiar with the environment.


--
Michael hennebry@web.cs.ndsu.NoDak.edu
"On Monday, I'm gonna have to tell my kindergarten class,
whom I teach not to run with scissors,
that my fiance ran me through with a broadsword." -- Lily
--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
 
Old 01-11-2012, 11:15 AM
Timothy Murphy
 
Default F16 changes

T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:

> This section of the installation guide explains how to install from an
> ISO image on your hard drive in detail:
> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Installation_Guide/s1-
installationmethod-x86.html
>
> Note that you don't even need a minimal installation CD, though it's a
> bit more work:
> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Installation_Guide/ap-
medialess-install.html

I find the Installation Guide rather confusing.
Eg your second citation appears in Chapter 12, "Installing Without Media",
but for some reason these methods are not mentioned in your first citation,
"Installation Method", which appears in Chapter 8.

I think it would be much better if the Guide simply listed
possible methods 1,2,3,...
and explained in each case exactly what one has to do.

In my experience, it is more or less impossible to install by PXEboot
by following the instructions in the Guide,
as the different part of the procedure are scattered at random
over several different chapters.

There is a big difference between a User Guide and a Reference Manual.
Unfortunately the authors of the Installation Guide seem to confuse the two.



--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net
tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin


--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
 
Old 01-11-2012, 11:25 AM
Timothy Murphy
 
Default F16 changes

Michael Hennebry wrote:

> As my current installation is EOL,
> there are things I would like to know before trying to install F16.
> For me, installation has always been a struggle.
> I approach new requirements with increased fear and trepidation.
> I don't do upgrades.
> It seems to me that an upgrade must be more complicated than
> a straight install and I have enough trouble with that.

I agree.
In particular, following the preupgrade method is a recipe for disaster.

But I think there is a third course,
which is to install the new system on a different partition,
keeping the old one as it is.
In my experience there is a non-negligible probability,
probably around 25%, that the new installation will not work,
perhaps for some reason concerned with one's particular hardware.
It makes life much easier if you have a working system to fall back on.

There are some minor problems in this, in particular the new user UIDs
(starting at 1000) in Fedora-16.
But this is not too difficult to deal with, in various ways.

--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net
tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin


--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
 
Old 01-11-2012, 11:31 AM
Frank Murphy
 
Default F16 changes

On 11/01/12 02:32, Michael Hennebry wrote:

As my current installation is EOL,
there are things I would like to know before trying to install F16.


If you are uncertain.
Dowload and run a LiveCD of whatever flavour DE you like.
This may let you know in advance of and hardware issues.

Backup your personal files,
plus any modified configs you want to keep.

If you are happy with the LiveCD,
you can install from it.
And just dl and other apps you may require.


--
Regards,

Frank Murphy
UTF_8 Encoded
Friend of fedoraproject.org
--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
 
Old 01-11-2012, 11:54 AM
Aaron Konstam
 
Default F16 changes

On Tue, 2012-01-10 at 20:32 -0600, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> As my current installation is EOL,
> there are things I would like to know before trying to install F16.
> For me, installation has always been a struggle.
> I approach new requirements with increased fear and trepidation.
> I don't do upgrades.
> It seems to me that an upgrade must be more complicated than
> a straight install and I have enough trouble with that.
>
> F16 seems to want GPT for disk partitioning.
> What I have now works just fine.
> Is GPT mandatory?
> Assuming it is, under what conditions will a new partition be required?
> My preference is not to mess with existing partitions.
> I'm hoping GPT will not force me to.
> Would changing to GPT pretty much guarantee stomping on my first partition?
>
> The new lower limit of 1000 for normal user and group IDs is another issue.
> The current user has IDs 500 and has rather
> a lot of files that I want to keep.
> Fedora's documentation says to use a kickstart file to keep 500.
> Alas, my floppy drive no longer works.
> Even if it did, I would not expect my first
> hand-made kickstart file to work.
> Is there a way to change the configuration
> file before adding the first user?
> Is there a reason that anaconda does not simply ask for the limits?
>
> If I am feeling brave, I might try to install from hard disk.
> Apparently, one can boot from a minimal CD
> and point anaconda at an iso image.
> Is this correct?
> anaconda apparently only wants the name of the directory.
> Does that mean that the DVD's iso image should
> be the only file in the directory?
> I see occasional references to images.
> What are they for and how do they not mess up the finding of the DVD image?
>
>
> Note that one reason for my frequent frustation
> is that I have only one computer.
> I cannot query the internet while running anaconda.
> It seems to me that absent conflicts, there is no particular
> reason one could not perform an installation from a running setup.
The reference to GPT means that you have a computer that uses the new
EFI system that replaces BIOS as the booting system. If you want
detailed info on what that means to you look in the December 2011 and
January 2012 issue of Linux Journal. I could send them to you as pdf
files but they are each 8mb in size so tell me if you can process files
that big through e-mail. I might put them on my web server but that will
take until Thursday,

On the other hand my making them available is probably copyright
infringement, so I my have to think about that some more.


--
================================================== =====================
Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors and
miss. -- Lazarus Long, "Time Enough for Love"
================================================== =====================
Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net

--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
 
Old 01-23-2012, 03:57 AM
Michael Hennebry
 
Default F16 changes

On Tue, 10 Jan 2012, Michael Hennebry wrote:


The new lower limit of 1000 for normal user and group IDs is another issue.
The current user has IDs 500 and has rather
a lot of files that I want to keep.
Fedora's documentation says to use a kickstart file to keep 500.


The file affected is /etc/logindefs .
but so far I have been unable to discover what to put in the kickstart file
to affect UID_MIN and GID_MIN.
What do I put in the kickstart file?

Also, at what point do I tell something where the kickstart file is?
I've seen two relevant syntaxes:
linux ks=hd:/device/dir/ks.cfg
linux ks=hdartitionath/ks.cfg
I recognize the syntaxes as providing boot options to the kernel.
The plan is to boot from a minimal CD and point it at a DVD iso.
At what point will I be able to provide the option?

Will anaconda insist on using grub2?
After I've tried to install F16,
I want to be able to still boot my old system.
I don't have any grub2 stuff that refers to it.

If grub2 is used,
will that affect the syntax for supplying the kickstart file?
If grub2 is used, will that affect the names
of partitions used in the kickstart file?

Also, from the perspective of the boot sequence,
what does it mean to have a /boot partition?
Until it's mounted, it's not called /boot .
By the time it is mounted, the kernel is already running.
Does it just mean that the partition with the
bootloader is not the same as one with the / directory?

--
Michael hennebry@web.cs.ndsu.NoDak.edu
"On Monday, I'm gonna have to tell my kindergarten class,
whom I teach not to run with scissors,
that my fiance ran me through with a broadsword." -- Lily
--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
 

Thread Tools




All times are GMT. The time now is 10:27 PM.

VBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO ©2007, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright 2007 - 2008, www.linux-archive.org