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Old 01-05-2012, 12:30 PM
Robert Moskowitz
 
Default Yum update/bug alert

Where is it with f16/G3?

I once saw that poor excuse of a popup at the bottom of the screen
saying something about updates available.


But if that all there is, who watches there screen all the time????


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Old 01-05-2012, 12:58 PM
Alexander Volovics
 
Default Yum update/bug alert

On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 08:30:01AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> Where is it with f16/G3?
>
> I once saw that poor excuse of a popup at the bottom of the screen
> saying something about updates available.
>
> But if that all there is, who watches there screen all the time????

Granted, the popup is not visible for very long, but if some fraction
of your attention is still turned to the screen, you should see it.

Maybe this extension:
https://extensions.gnome.org/#page=6 --> Permanent notifications
is something for you. But I don't know what it does exactly as I have
not tried it.

If you want to extend the time the popup is visible maybe there is
some time parameter you can change in the gsettings schemas.
But I don't know if one of them handles the popups directly.

AV

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Old 01-05-2012, 01:01 PM
Michael Schwendt
 
Default Yum update/bug alert

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:30:01 -0500, RM (Robert) wrote:

> Where is it with f16/G3?

What is "G3"?

> I once saw that poor excuse of a popup at the bottom of the screen
> saying something about updates available.
>
> But if that all there is, who watches there screen all the time????

What exactly is your question?

Normal updates are being checked for less frequently than before anyway.
I don't mind if I miss the notification. I'm glad that with GNOME Shell
there is less activity in panels. The bottom panel suffers from a few bugs
currently, and e.g. finished print job notifications pile up in it.

If I want to apply updates "right now", I type "Alt+F1", "upd" and RETURN
to start the Software Update tool.
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Old 01-05-2012, 01:02 PM
Ed Greshko
 
Default Yum update/bug alert

On 01/05/2012 10:01 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:30:01 -0500, RM (Robert) wrote:
>
>> Where is it with f16/G3?
> What is "G3"?

GNOME 3

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Old 01-05-2012, 01:15 PM
Robert Moskowitz
 
Default Yum update/bug alert

On 01/05/2012 09:01 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:30:01 -0500, RM (Robert) wrote:


Where is it with f16/G3?

What is "G3"?


I once saw that poor excuse of a popup at the bottom of the screen
saying something about updates available.

But if that all there is, who watches there screen all the time????

What exactly is your question?

Normal updates are being checked for less frequently than before anyway.
I don't mind if I miss the notification. I'm glad that with GNOME Shell
there is less activity in panels. The bottom panel suffers from a few bugs
currently, and e.g. finished print job notifications pile up in it.

If I want to apply updates "right now", I type "Alt+F1", "upd" and RETURN
to start the Software Update tool.


I want a constant reminder like we had in G2 (Gnome 2). I might not get
to doing the update for hours or even a day, if it is not an important
update, but I don't want to forget it. Right now, I just don't see the
update message. Since the (Dec 8), I have seen it all of once. I have
determined that there are updates by running "yum update" in a root shell.


If there are updates, I want to know about it. If they are important
bug fixes or critical security fixes I want to know that too.


This "flash in the pan" just does not do it for something that could be
really important.



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Old 01-05-2012, 01:18 PM
Frank Murphy
 
Default Yum update/bug alert

On 05/01/12 14:15, Robert Moskowitz wrote:


If there are updates, I want to know about it. If they are important bug
fixes or critical security fixes I want to know that too.


You can always use something like:
yum-updateonboot
with config set to security.
So everytime, you boot
eboot
security updates are installed.
works best with network.service


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Old 01-05-2012, 01:21 PM
Ed Greshko
 
Default Yum update/bug alert

On 01/05/2012 10:18 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On 05/01/12 14:15, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>> If there are updates, I want to know about it. If they are important bug
>> fixes or critical security fixes I want to know that too.
>
> You can always use something like:
> yum-updateonboot
> with config set to security.
> So everytime, you boot
eboot
> security updates are installed.
> works best with network.service
>
>

I don't use GNOME.... But, how does that suggestion help folks that
don't reboot?

KDE 4 still gives one a persistent icon in the systray to remind you
that updates are available.

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Old 01-05-2012, 01:28 PM
Frank Murphy
 
Default Yum update/bug alert

On 05/01/12 14:21, Ed Greshko wrote:


You can always use something like:
yum-updateonboot
with config set to security.
So everytime, you boot
eboot
security updates are installed.
works best with network.service




I don't use GNOME.... But, how does that suggestion help folks that
don't reboot?


For them I would say use this script:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/xfce/2011-November/000841.html



KDE 4 still gives one a persistent icon in the systray to remind you
that updates are available.



It's called apper and was made to work with PackageKit with yum,
and should also handle zif, if it gets pushed to the fore.

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Old 01-05-2012, 01:30 PM
Michael Schwendt
 
Default Yum update/bug alert

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 22:02:28 +0800, EG (Ed) wrote:

> On 01/05/2012 10:01 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> > On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:30:01 -0500, RM (Robert) wrote:
> >
> >> Where is it with f16/G3?
> > What is "G3"?
>
> GNOME 3

Ouch. It's not so cool IMO to invent abbreviations like that
without spelling out the full "GNOME 3" to give context.
I first thought about the PowerPC family, but G3 is used for lots of
other stuff, too. Some blog writers write "GNOME 3" once and save
some typing by using G3 afterwards.
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Old 01-05-2012, 01:58 PM
Matthew Saltzman
 
Default Yum update/bug alert

On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 09:15 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> On 01/05/2012 09:01 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> > On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:30:01 -0500, RM (Robert) wrote:
> >
> >> Where is it with f16/G3?
> > What is "G3"?
> >
> >> I once saw that poor excuse of a popup at the bottom of the screen
> >> saying something about updates available.
> >>
> >> But if that all there is, who watches there screen all the time????
> > What exactly is your question?
> >
> > Normal updates are being checked for less frequently than before anyway.
> > I don't mind if I miss the notification. I'm glad that with GNOME Shell
> > there is less activity in panels. The bottom panel suffers from a few bugs
> > currently, and e.g. finished print job notifications pile up in it.
> >
> > If I want to apply updates "right now", I type "Alt+F1", "upd" and RETURN
> > to start the Software Update tool.
>
> I want a constant reminder like we had in G2 (Gnome 2). I might not get
> to doing the update for hours or even a day, if it is not an important
> update, but I don't want to forget it. Right now, I just don't see the
> update message. Since the (Dec 8), I have seen it all of once. I have
> determined that there are updates by running "yum update" in a root shell.
>
> If there are updates, I want to know about it. If they are important
> bug fixes or critical security fixes I want to know that too.
>
> This "flash in the pan" just does not do it for something that could be
> really important.

Once those pop-ups appear and disappear, there's a retractable
notification bar that they retreat to. Move the cursor to the lower
right corner to raise it.

It looks like the permanent-notification extension hasn't been packaged,
at least for F15.

>
>
>

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