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Old 12-23-2011, 06:16 AM
Joe Zeff
 
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On 12/22/2011 07:29 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:

Must have been the same guys who built Fukushima on a seismic area
prone to tsunamis.


I'd like to point out three things. First, all of Japan is tectonically
active. Second, not one person outside the facility has been exposed to
radiation from the plant and not one person inside has died from
exposure. Third, everyplace is earthquake country if you wait long enough.

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Old 12-23-2011, 06:30 AM
夜神 岩男
 
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On 12/23/2011 01:35 PM, jdow wrote:

On 2011/12/22 19:29, Fernando Cassia wrote:

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 15:19, Dave Ihnat<dihnat@dminet.com> wrote:

That situation will ease--the industry is saying by second
quarter, but my bet is for at least a year, maybe 16-18 months (since
they
have to either dry out and refurbish flooded facilities, build new
facilities, or expand existing facilities--all real-world
bricks'n'sticks
infrastructure development)-


Let´s all give a round of applause to the brainiacs who in the name of
cost cutting, selected a flood-prone area to place their investment
(factories), all due to the low wages.

Must have been the same guys who built Fukushima on a seismic area
prone to tsunamis.

Oh, the joys of shortsighted capitalism... ;-)

FC


You think Mao or Stalin did any better? I submit they did far worse. The
Fukushima plant did a fairly thorough investigation and missed something
most others had missed, too. There were some really old geological records
that suggested events such as that huge earthquake did indeed create
tsunamis as big as we saw. But basically they were caught flatfooted
despite what should have been adequate research. It was after the event
that the geological record came to the awareness of the authorities.

I know honesty and fairness about criticism are foreign to this list. But
it's ever so much more effective if you criticize with genuine facts rather
than things "everyone knows" that they learned from media which is prone
to selling their product not truth.

{O.O}


C'mon, everyone knows that well over 9,000 died at Fukushima because of
radiation and over 9,000 neighboring countries have been evacuated
permanently due to the incident and now look just like Mars. Damned
capitalists! That's what caused the Thai floods in the first place.
Capitalists would *never* be caught doing something that is incidentally
beneficial to initial low-wage earners like setting up a factory in
their country so they can get a job doing something other than hoeing
people-poo in rice paddies or protecting their investments in the future
by helping to rework the canal and earthworks systems around Bangkok.
Those are such terrible ideas that Hitachi and others aren't looking
into them right now, thank goodness.


On the other hand, everyone knows that not a single person died at or
near Chernobyl (ever), there was no coverup, everything was perfectly
contained and not a single long-term effect has been had in Belarus,
Ukraine or Russia proper, because of the genuinely far-sightedness
inherent in socialist doctrine as manifested in communism. Why, in 2012
the Soviet Union is going to send a nuclear safety re-education crew to
Japan to set them straight. I sure am relieved, being from here and all.

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Old 12-23-2011, 06:45 AM
Paul Allen Newell
 
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On 12/22/2011 11:30 PM, 夜神 岩男 wrote:

On 12/23/2011 01:35 PM, jdow wrote:

On 2011/12/22 19:29, Fernando Cassia wrote:


Let´s all give a round of applause to the brainiacs who in the name of
cost cutting, selected a flood-prone area to place their investment
(factories), all due to the low wages.

Must have been the same guys who built Fukushima on a seismic area
prone to tsunamis.

Oh, the joys of shortsighted capitalism... ;-)

FC


You think Mao or Stalin did any better? I submit they did far worse. The
Fukushima plant did a fairly thorough investigation and missed something
most others had missed, too. There were some really old geological
records

that suggested events such as that huge earthquake did indeed create
tsunamis as big as we saw. But basically they were caught flatfooted
despite what should have been adequate research. It was after the event
that the geological record came to the awareness of the authorities.

I know honesty and fairness about criticism are foreign to this list.
But
it's ever so much more effective if you criticize with genuine facts
rather

than things "everyone knows" that they learned from media which is prone
to selling their product not truth.

{O.O}


C'mon, everyone knows that well over 9,000 died at Fukushima because
of radiation and over 9,000 neighboring countries have been evacuated
permanently due to the incident and now look just like Mars. Damned
capitalists! That's what caused the Thai floods in the first place.
Capitalists would *never* be caught doing something that is
incidentally beneficial to initial low-wage earners like setting up a
factory in their country so they can get a job doing something other
than hoeing people-poo in rice paddies or protecting their investments
in the future by helping to rework the canal and earthworks systems
around Bangkok. Those are such terrible ideas that Hitachi and others
aren't looking into them right now, thank goodness.


On the other hand, everyone knows that not a single person died at or
near Chernobyl (ever), there was no coverup, everything was perfectly
contained and not a single long-term effect has been had in Belarus,
Ukraine or Russia proper, because of the genuinely far-sightedness
inherent in socialist doctrine as manifested in communism. Why, in
2012 the Soviet Union is going to send a nuclear safety re-education
crew to Japan to set them straight. I sure am relieved, being from
here and all.


And what does all this have to do with Fedora?

OT is okay, but you are all getting into dribble. I strongly suggest
that the biggest political argument you bring up in this list is whether
Gnome 3.x is the end of Western Civilization as we know it.


For those who are not in the physical domain of "Western Civilization",
be assured that it is a literary metaphor and nothing more than that ...
you can typecast it to Eastern, Northern, or Southern to make a match.


And, for what it is worth, if you really want to walk into the Japan
issue, all I can do is ask if you have given any money to help ...


Paul

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Old 12-23-2011, 06:47 AM
夜神 岩男
 
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On 12/23/2011 04:16 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 12/22/2011 07:29 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:

Must have been the same guys who built Fukushima on a seismic area
prone to tsunamis.


I'd like to point out three things. First, all of Japan is tectonically
active. Second, not one person outside the facility has been exposed to
radiation from the plant and not one person inside has died from
exposure. Third, everyplace is earthquake country if you wait long enough.


BUT JOE! You're missing the point! They're CAPITALISTS! Dirty, lowdown,
no-good CAPITALISTS! That changes EVERYTHING!


And so does liberal use of caps and aimless discussion on mailinglists.
(Or pointed and relevant discussion on international politica fora.)


Now it is my intention to go fall down some capitalist staircases so I
can sue them, because I know they've got money. Later I've got a meeting
to legalize marijuana in the USA, closely followed after by a speech I
have to give at an anti-tobacco rally.


-Iwao
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Old 12-23-2011, 06:55 AM
Fernando Cassia
 
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On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 01:01, Craig White <craigwhite@azapple.com> wrote:
> yet another oppressively
> cynical posting from Fernando

Can you please provide a list of "oppresively cynical postings" from
me to this list?. Offlist please.

I want to be surprised.
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Old 12-23-2011, 07:09 AM
Dotan Cohen
 
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On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 09:45, Paul Allen Newell <pnewell@cs.cmu.edu> wrote:
> And, for what it is worth, if you really want to walk into the Japan issue,
> all I can do is ask if you have given any money to help ...
>

Did you not notice that the GP is Japanese?

And for that matter, like he pointed out, not a single injury or death
can be ascribed to the failures at the 40 year old nuclear power plant
that was one month from retirement. However, the anti-nuke crowd do
ignore that fact and the 20,000 dead due to the tsunami and
earthquake.

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Old 12-23-2011, 07:10 AM
Fernando Cassia
 
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On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 01:37, jdow <jdow@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Well, he's right. Capitalism sucks. The alternatives suck far far worse.

You´re right, I should have said "capitalism without checks". You
know, the kind that hires underage workers in southeast asia that are
then sold in the US of A at several times its manufacture cost.

I´m not advocating communism. Just pointing the obvious... that
perhaps if those hard drives were made somewhere in the USA (I still
have a Conner made-in-the-usa SCSI1 drive, it still works), or even
western europe (I guess AMD knows better and put its cpu fab in
Dresden not Thailand), then perhaps we wouldn´t be talking about
this..

This is what I´m talking about:

Seagate, Coca-Cola, Intel, Oracle use Cayman Islands tax haven to
avoid paying US taxes
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aWoQkk2WY1oc

-----
May 5 (Bloomberg) -- Seagate Technology, the world’s largest maker of
hard disk drives, is headquartered in Scotts Valley, California. Yet
the documents it files with the Securities and Exchange Commission
list its address on South Church Street in George Town, the capital of
the Cayman Islands.

Seagate is just one of the companies that may be affected by President
Barack Obama’s proposal yesterday to raise about $190 billion over the
next decade by outlawing techniques used by U.S. companies in offshore
locations to avoid paying taxes. While the U.S. corporate tax rate is
35 percent, Seagate paid an effective tax rate of 5 percent in the
year ended June 2008, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
-----

But hey, this is offtopic for this list. Apologies.
In fact, we should all praise these firms for screwing Uncle Sam and
the average US taxpayer who cannot move to Cayman. We should also
praise the offshoring of jobs to the place with the lowest wages you
can get,even if it means building factories in places prone to
flooding. Shortsightness, they´ve heard of it. (how much money are
they losing by this flooding?).

*last message by me on this thread*

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Old 12-23-2011, 07:11 AM
夜神 岩男
 
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On 12/23/2011 04:45 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:


And, for what it is worth, if you really want to walk into the Japan
issue, all I can do is ask if you have given any money to help ...

Paul


Since you have to be a spoilsport/clown and ask...

I didn't give money, because that is meaningless here. We've got plenty
of money and gobs of prepared supplies. I went up north to assist my
cousins and in-laws directly because that actually meant something.
Rebuilding the collapsed side of the barn and replacing the house
windows with my cousin, and tending to livestock while half the family
was away made a much larger difference than money could -- because for
all the money in the world you couldn't find people just then to do
those things in that particular spot, and transportation aside from
boats/bike was initially extremely difficuly anyway. I'm sure that my
participation in town cleanup didn't mean as much, though, because there
were plenty of people on hand for that, with most offices closed.


If you're really in a donating mood, I hear Joe is in need of new
hardware and is living on a pension. I'm sure he would actually use it
for hardware instead of simply standing up a self-beureaucratic
organization he can be in charge of and grant himself a job of arbitrary
tax-free salary through by telling people on the internet that his aim
is to "help people" by donating money to a country already experiencing
overwhelming deflationary pressures...

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Old 12-23-2011, 07:23 AM
Paul Allen Newell
 
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On 12/23/2011 12:09 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:


Did you not notice that the GP is Japanese?

And for that matter, like he pointed out, not a single injury or death
can be ascribed to the failures at the 40 year old nuclear power plant
that was one month from retirement. However, the anti-nuke crowd do
ignore that fact and the 20,000 dead due to the tsunami and
earthquake.



It doesn't matter what or where the OP is. Someone brings up a disaster
on this list and all I can say is 1) did you do anything to help and 2)
what does it have to do with Fedora


Period

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Old 12-23-2011, 07:28 AM
Paul Allen Newell
 
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On 12/23/2011 12:11 AM, 夜神 岩男 wrote:


Since you have to be a spoilsport/clown and ask...

I didn't give money, because that is meaningless here. We've got
plenty of money and gobs of prepared supplies. I went up north to
assist my cousins and in-laws directly because that actually meant
something. Rebuilding the collapsed side of the barn and replacing the
house windows with my cousin, and tending to livestock while half the
family was away made a much larger difference than money could --
because for all the money in the world you couldn't find people just
then to do those things in that particular spot, and transportation
aside from boats/bike was initially extremely difficuly anyway. I'm
sure that my participation in town cleanup didn't mean as much,
though, because there were plenty of people on hand for that, with
most offices closed.


If you're really in a donating mood, I hear Joe is in need of new
hardware and is living on a pension. I'm sure he would actually use it
for hardware instead of simply standing up a self-beureaucratic
organization he can be in charge of and grant himself a job of
arbitrary tax-free salary through by telling people on the internet
that his aim is to "help people" by donating money to a country
already experiencing overwhelming deflationary pressures...


Its the principle. If a diaster occur, what have you done to help. You
clearly state that you did something and I respect. Whatever you did
meant something.


However, with all due respects to you family, what does this have to do
with Fedora?


Joe can get his own hardware (smile)

As a side note, I am a bit sorry that I made that Japan comment as it
clearly had nothing to do with Fedora and that the only part of the
email that I am getting response on. My bad




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