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Globe Trotter 03-28-2008 03:15 AM

F8: Thinkpad T61 wakes up at random after hibernating
 
So, I have been having this same problem (not always, but very frequently),
ever since I upgraded to 2.6.24 kernels (all three released so far).

I put my trusty Thinkpad T61 on pm-hibernate, and it goes down peacefully:
however, within a second after everything shutting down, all lights off, it
revvs up and starts all over again. Regardless of whether the lid is closed or
open.

This does not happen always.

Any suggestions?

best,
Trotter


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Frank Cox 03-28-2008 03:33 AM

F8: Thinkpad T61 wakes up at random after hibernating
 
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:15:17 -0700 (PDT)
Globe Trotter <itsme_410@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I put my trusty Thinkpad T61 on pm-hibernate, and it goes down peacefully:
> however, within a second after everything shutting down, all lights off, it
> revvs up and starts all over again. Regardless of whether the lid is closed or
> open.

I remember something similar to this has come up before, and it was ultimately
caused by a task that was hitting the hard drive every several seconds for some
reason.

That's pretty vague, but you might be able to find more if you do some searches
with including keywords like hard drive.

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Matthew Saltzman 03-28-2008 11:12 AM

F8: Thinkpad T61 wakes up at random after hibernating
 
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 21:15 -0700, Globe Trotter wrote:
> So, I have been having this same problem (not always, but very frequently),
> ever since I upgraded to 2.6.24 kernels (all three released so far).
>
> I put my trusty Thinkpad T61 on pm-hibernate, and it goes down peacefully:
> however, within a second after everything shutting down, all lights off, it
> revvs up and starts all over again. Regardless of whether the lid is closed or
> open.
>
> This does not happen always.
>
> Any suggestions?

Hibernate? First I've heard of it (but I haven't tried to hibernate
recently--it wasn't resuming with the nVidia driver). The current state
of spontaneous-resume-after-suspend-to-RAM is here:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=254214.


>
> best,
> Trotter
>
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Globe Trotter 03-28-2008 02:00 PM

F8: Thinkpad T61 wakes up at random after hibernating
 
--- Matthew Saltzman <mjs@clemson.edu> wrote:

>
> On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 21:15 -0700, Globe Trotter wrote:
> > So, I have been having this same problem (not always, but very frequently),
> > ever since I upgraded to 2.6.24 kernels (all three released so far).
> >
> > I put my trusty Thinkpad T61 on pm-hibernate, and it goes down peacefully:
> > however, within a second after everything shutting down, all lights off, it
> > revvs up and starts all over again. Regardless of whether the lid is closed
> or
> > open.
> >
> > This does not happen always.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
>
> Hibernate? First I've heard of it (but I haven't tried to hibernate
> recently--it wasn't resuming with the nVidia driver). The current state
> of spontaneous-resume-after-suspend-to-RAM is here:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=254214.
>

thanks, matthew and frank! Not having used pm-suspend for a while, I tried it,
and it went down fine, but did not wake up properly. (I guess, you could say in
a coma?:-) but it came back with a black screen and a dash blinking cursor.)
Had to hard-shutdown a la Windoze (I am told).

But my reference is to pm-hibernate. I tried it three times this morning, and
it went down fine twice. But woke up a second later the third time. I tried
shutting down firefox the first times, and left it on at www.washingtonpost.com
the third time. It may be firefox, it may be java, but the problem is so random
(Bernoulli distributed with p > 0.75) that it is hard to tell.

Best,
Trotter





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Globe Trotter 03-28-2008 02:34 PM

F8: Thinkpad T61 wakes up at random after hibernating
 
--- Globe Trotter <itsme_410@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> --- Matthew Saltzman <mjs@clemson.edu> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 21:15 -0700, Globe Trotter wrote:
> > > So, I have been having this same problem (not always, but very
> frequently),
> > > ever since I upgraded to 2.6.24 kernels (all three released so far).
> > >
> > > I put my trusty Thinkpad T61 on pm-hibernate, and it goes down
> peacefully:
> > > however, within a second after everything shutting down, all lights off,
> it
> > > revvs up and starts all over again. Regardless of whether the lid is
> closed
> > or
> > > open.
> > >
> > > This does not happen always.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Hibernate? First I've heard of it (but I haven't tried to hibernate
> > recently--it wasn't resuming with the nVidia driver). The current state
> > of spontaneous-resume-after-suspend-to-RAM is here:
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=254214.
> >
>
> thanks, matthew and frank! Not having used pm-suspend for a while, I tried
> it,
> and it went down fine, but did not wake up properly. (I guess, you could say
> in
> a coma?:-) but it came back with a black screen and a dash blinking cursor.)
> Had to hard-shutdown a la Windoze (I am told).
>
> But my reference is to pm-hibernate. I tried it three times this morning, and
> it went down fine twice. But woke up a second later the third time. I tried
> shutting down firefox the first times, and left it on at
> www.washingtonpost.com
> the third time. It may be firefox, it may be java, but the problem is so
> random
> (Bernoulli distributed with p > 0.75) that it is hard to tell.
>

Following up on my own post, pm-hibernate works fine with www.nytimes.com,
mc.manuscriptcentral.com/mrm, but not on www.washingtonpost.com (as mentioned
earlier), www.huffingtonpost.com or mail.yahoo.com.

I wonder if flash is the culprit, (I do not have it installed, but gnash-plugin
is installed, btw).

Trotter



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Matthew Saltzman 03-28-2008 03:00 PM

F8: Thinkpad T61 wakes up at random after hibernating
 
On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 08:00 -0700, Globe Trotter wrote:
> --- Matthew Saltzman <mjs@clemson.edu> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 21:15 -0700, Globe Trotter wrote:
> > > So, I have been having this same problem (not always, but very frequently),
> > > ever since I upgraded to 2.6.24 kernels (all three released so far).
> > >
> > > I put my trusty Thinkpad T61 on pm-hibernate, and it goes down peacefully:
> > > however, within a second after everything shutting down, all lights off, it
> > > revvs up and starts all over again. Regardless of whether the lid is closed
> > or
> > > open.
> > >
> > > This does not happen always.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Hibernate? First I've heard of it (but I haven't tried to hibernate
> > recently--it wasn't resuming with the nVidia driver). The current state
> > of spontaneous-resume-after-suspend-to-RAM is here:
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=254214.
> >
>
> thanks, matthew and frank! Not having used pm-suspend for a while, I tried it,
> and it went down fine, but did not wake up properly. (I guess, you could say in
> a coma?:-) but it came back with a black screen and a dash blinking cursor.)
> Had to hard-shutdown a la Windoze (I am told).

You may have to worry about "quirks":
http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/quirk/quirk-suspend-index.html
>
> But my reference is to pm-hibernate. I tried it three times this morning, and
> it went down fine twice. But woke up a second later the third time. I tried
> shutting down firefox the first times, and left it on at www.washingtonpost.com
> the third time. It may be firefox, it may be java, but the problem is so random
> (Bernoulli distributed with p > 0.75) that it is hard to tell.

The takeaway from the BZ ticket ref above is that this may not be a
question of applications running, but rather drivers. Some similar fix
to the one in BZ might help you.

>
> Best,
> Trotter
>
>
>
>
>
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Chris Snook 03-28-2008 05:47 PM

F8: Thinkpad T61 wakes up at random after hibernating
 
Globe Trotter wrote:

So, I have been having this same problem (not always, but very frequently),
ever since I upgraded to 2.6.24 kernels (all three released so far).

I put my trusty Thinkpad T61 on pm-hibernate, and it goes down peacefully:
however, within a second after everything shutting down, all lights off, it
revvs up and starts all over again. Regardless of whether the lid is closed or
open.

This does not happen always.


Any suggestions?

best,
Trotter


Is wake on USB enabled in the BIOS? If so, does disabling that help?

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Globe Trotter 03-29-2008 03:23 PM

F8: Thinkpad T61 wakes up at random after hibernating
 
--- Matthew Saltzman <mjs@clemson.edu> wrote:

>
> On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 08:00 -0700, Globe Trotter wrote:
> > --- Matthew Saltzman <mjs@clemson.edu> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 21:15 -0700, Globe Trotter wrote:
> > > > So, I have been having this same problem (not always, but very
> frequently),
> > > > ever since I upgraded to 2.6.24 kernels (all three released so far).
> > > >
> > > > I put my trusty Thinkpad T61 on pm-hibernate, and it goes down
> peacefully:
> > > > however, within a second after everything shutting down, all lights
> off, it
> > > > revvs up and starts all over again. Regardless of whether the lid is
> closed
> > > or
> > > > open.
> > > >
> > > > This does not happen always.
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestions?
> > >
> > > Hibernate? First I've heard of it (but I haven't tried to hibernate
> > > recently--it wasn't resuming with the nVidia driver). The current state
> > > of spontaneous-resume-after-suspend-to-RAM is here:
> > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=254214.
> > >
> >
> > thanks, matthew and frank! Not having used pm-suspend for a while, I tried
> it,
> > and it went down fine, but did not wake up properly. (I guess, you could
> say in
> > a coma?:-) but it came back with a black screen and a dash blinking
> cursor.)
> > Had to hard-shutdown a la Windoze (I am told).
>
> You may have to worry about "quirks":
> http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/quirk/quirk-suspend-index.html
> >
> > But my reference is to pm-hibernate. I tried it three times this morning,
> and
> > it went down fine twice. But woke up a second later the third time. I tried
> > shutting down firefox the first times, and left it on at
> www.washingtonpost.com
> > the third time. It may be firefox, it may be java, but the problem is so
> random
> > (Bernoulli distributed with p > 0.75) that it is hard to tell.
>
> The takeaway from the BZ ticket ref above is that this may not be a
> question of applications running, but rather drivers. Some similar fix
> to the one in BZ might help you.

Thanks, and you are probably right. Btw, I do not have an nvidia, but an Intel
GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller.

It does seem strange that this entire crop of wake-up-at-random cropped up only
after upgrades to 2.6.24.

Trotter


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Matthew Saltzman 03-29-2008 05:38 PM

F8: Thinkpad T61 wakes up at random after hibernating
 
On Sat, 2008-03-29 at 09:23 -0700, Globe Trotter wrote:
> --- Matthew Saltzman <mjs@clemson.edu> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 08:00 -0700, Globe Trotter wrote:
> > > --- Matthew Saltzman <mjs@clemson.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 21:15 -0700, Globe Trotter wrote:
> > > > > So, I have been having this same problem (not always, but very
> > frequently),
> > > > > ever since I upgraded to 2.6.24 kernels (all three released so far).
> > > > >
> > > > > I put my trusty Thinkpad T61 on pm-hibernate, and it goes down
> > peacefully:
> > > > > however, within a second after everything shutting down, all lights
> > off, it
> > > > > revvs up and starts all over again. Regardless of whether the lid is
> > closed
> > > > or
> > > > > open.
> > > > >
> > > > > This does not happen always.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > Hibernate? First I've heard of it (but I haven't tried to hibernate
> > > > recently--it wasn't resuming with the nVidia driver). The current state
> > > > of spontaneous-resume-after-suspend-to-RAM is here:
> > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=254214.
> > > >
> > >
> > > thanks, matthew and frank! Not having used pm-suspend for a while, I tried
> > it,
> > > and it went down fine, but did not wake up properly. (I guess, you could
> > say in
> > > a coma?:-) but it came back with a black screen and a dash blinking
> > cursor.)
> > > Had to hard-shutdown a la Windoze (I am told).
> >
> > You may have to worry about "quirks":
> > http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/quirk/quirk-suspend-index.html
> > >
> > > But my reference is to pm-hibernate. I tried it three times this morning,
> > and
> > > it went down fine twice. But woke up a second later the third time. I tried
> > > shutting down firefox the first times, and left it on at
> > www.washingtonpost.com
> > > the third time. It may be firefox, it may be java, but the problem is so
> > random
> > > (Bernoulli distributed with p > 0.75) that it is hard to tell.
> >
> > The takeaway from the BZ ticket ref above is that this may not be a
> > question of applications running, but rather drivers. Some similar fix
> > to the one in BZ might help you.
>
> Thanks, and you are probably right. Btw, I do not have an nvidia, but an Intel
> GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller.

That's OK. The quirks thing won't help you with proprietary drivers
anyway. And the end result of the analysis was that graphics drivers
weren't the issue anyway, USB drivers were.

>
> It does seem strange that this entire crop of wake-up-at-random cropped up only
> after upgrades to 2.6.24.

New features in drivers can have that effect. See many discussions in
the archives about the kernel development model and the risk that things
occasionally stop working.

>
> Trotter

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Globe Trotter 03-29-2008 07:13 PM

F8: Thinkpad T61 wakes up at random after hibernating
 
> > > You may have to worry about "quirks":
> > > http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/quirk/quirk-suspend-index.html
> > > >
> > > > But my reference is to pm-hibernate. I tried it three times this
> morning,
> > > and
> > > > it went down fine twice. But woke up a second later the third time. I
> tried
> > > > shutting down firefox the first times, and left it on at
> > > www.washingtonpost.com
> > > > the third time. It may be firefox, it may be java, but the problem is
> so
> > > random
> > > > (Bernoulli distributed with p > 0.75) that it is hard to tell.
> > >
> > > The takeaway from the BZ ticket ref above is that this may not be a
> > > question of applications running, but rather drivers. Some similar fix
> > > to the one in BZ might help you.
> >
> > Thanks, and you are probably right. Btw, I do not have an nvidia, but an
> Intel
> > GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller.
>
> That's OK. The quirks thing won't help you with proprietary drivers
> anyway. And the end result of the analysis was that graphics drivers
> weren't the issue anyway, USB drivers were.
>
> >
> > It does seem strange that this entire crop of wake-up-at-random cropped up
> only
> > after upgrades to 2.6.24.
>
> New features in drivers can have that effect. See many discussions in
> the archives about the kernel development model and the risk that things
> occasionally stop working.

Thanks very much! I will submit to BZ then. Trouble is I don't quite know what
to submit with it in terms of diagnostic information, but I guess they will
ask....

Best,
Trotter


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