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Old 12-21-2011, 09:13 PM
jdow
 
Default Fedora vs openSUSE

On 2011/12/21 10:56, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 12/21/2011 07:40 AM, Clive Hills wrote:

I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler.

Can this just stop.
Clive





No. Mentioning him simply to end a thread doesn't count; you have to invoke him
in anger.


There is also the philosophical question regarding mentioning Stalin,
Caligula, Temujin, or others if their ilk would do the same as the
mention of Hitler.


----->>>>>>>> That way REAL quickly.... {O,o}
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Old 12-21-2011, 09:15 PM
Roger
 
Default Fedora vs openSUSE

<snip>

As the great Yogi Berra once said "This is like deja vu all over again."


</snip>

The truly great thing about his increasingly irrelevant conversation
conversation is my <Delete Message> button, applied with gusto.

Roger
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Old 12-21-2011, 10:10 PM
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Default Fedora vs openSUSE

On 12/21/2011 08:15 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/21/2011 10:04 AM, g wrote:
>> only time it changes is when i do a full system power down, including ups,
>> which brings down dsl modem.
>
> I used to do this type of stuff at an ISP. What you have is a fairly
> long lease on an IP. When that lease expires, your modem has to renew
> it. There's a good chance that you'll get another lease on the same IP,
> but not always. If the modem goes down briefly, or there's a short loss
> of signal, you'll still have the same IP. If you want to be (almost)
> sure your IP changes, leave it off for at least fifteen minutes. Why I
> qualified that last statement is left as an exercise for the reader.
-=-

so i have been told. i do not know how long the lease is, but i do know
that it is longer than 30 days. i used to have dsl modem power brick
plugged in wall outlet. i realized my error a good while back when i
lost mains and i was downloading a large file and had about 10 minutes
remaining.

if i had brick plugged into ups, i could have halted dl and resumed when
mains can back up. it was not a torrent. :-(

i did correct my error. now, from time to time when i 'pull plugs', i get
a new ip and really not concerned how long i hold ip.

now, sometimes i pull dsl line just to refresh ip and avoid 'crazies'
hacking ip blocks.

-+-

On 12/21/2011 08:25 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/21/2011 10:04 AM, g wrote:
>> even then, when i power back up, i go back into same dsl block;
>>
>> (adsl-184-41-x-x.mem.bellsouth.net[184.41.x.x])
>
> Sorry to respond twice. It only just occurred to me that I should
> comment on this as well. What your ADSL modem connects to at the phone
> company isn't a modem or a router, but I can't remember any more what
> it's called. (It's been eight years since I needed to know.) However,
> if you think of it as a dumb router that does nothing except DHCP and
> passing packets, you'll be close enough. The point is, that device has
> a fixed pool of IP addresses, all from the same subnet, to pass out.
> Thus, as long as you're connecting to that device, you're going to get
> an address from the same block.
-=-

not a problem.

first jump is run to a rather large cabinet at side of a street, about
8 blocks away, where it goes from copper to fiber. then connects to a
'central office' about 5 miles away. what is in between me and 'co',
i have no idea. [see attached for a tracerute]


when i first signed up with aDSL, i did not get speed i am paying for,
so i call at&t to have a check run to see what/where problem was.

as it turns out, i am at end of a run, approx 3k20 feet of copper. :-(
so instead of 138 kbps, i average around 86 kbps.

fiber is in my future.


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[geo@argosyiayia ~]$ traceroute redhat.com
traceroute to redhat.com (209.132.183.81), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 * home (192.168.1.254) 3.144 ms 4.321 ms
2 adsl-184-41-46-1.mem.bellsouth.net (184.41.46.1) 45.383 ms 55.195 ms 62.922 ms
3 70.159.236.41 (70.159.236.41) 74.638 ms 84.621 ms 92.382 ms
4 12.81.52.42 (12.81.52.42) 109.896 ms 117.709 ms 127.206 ms
5 12.81.52.48 (12.81.52.48) 136.988 ms 146.687 ms 156.473 ms
6 12.81.32.130 (12.81.32.130) 166.468 ms 174.450 ms 182.877 ms
7 12.81.32.107 (12.81.32.107) 147.361 ms 147.429 ms 149.462 ms
8 74.175.192.198 (74.175.192.198) 147.560 ms 147.359 ms 149.449 ms
9 cr1.nsvtn.ip.att.net (12.122.148.14) 151.558 ms 153.646 ms 155.813 ms
10 cr2.attga.ip.att.net (12.122.28.105) 155.677 ms 151.678 ms 155.691 ms
11 attga04jt.ip.att.net (12.122.84.149) 147.626 ms 147.593 ms 147.491 ms
12 192.205.37.166 (192.205.37.166) 187.310 ms 177.580 ms 169.962 ms
13 * * *
14 phn-edge-06.inet.qwest.net (205.171.12.146) 194.939 ms phn-edge-06.inet.qwest.net (205.171.12.142) 192.929 ms phn-edge-06.inet.qwest.net (205.171.12.146) 190.742 ms
15 * * *
16 * * *
17 * * *
18 * * *
19 63-232-247-146.dia.static.qwest.net (63.232.247.146) 109.593 ms !X * *

[geo@argosyiayia ~]$ traceroute fedoraproject.com
traceroute to fedoraproject.com (209.132.176.120), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 home (192.168.1.254) 1.665 ms 4.706 ms 4.670 ms
2 adsl-184-41-46-1.mem.bellsouth.net (184.41.46.1) 41.403 ms 51.153 ms 60.905 ms
3 70.159.236.41 (70.159.236.41) 72.689 ms 82.599 ms 92.309 ms
4 12.81.52.40 (12.81.52.40) 107.995 ms 115.810 ms 125.600 ms
5 12.81.52.48 (12.81.52.48) 135.452 ms 145.240 ms 155.227 ms
6 12.81.32.130 (12.81.32.130) 164.787 ms 156.434 ms 165.875 ms
7 12.81.32.107 (12.81.32.107) 173.434 ms 48.334 ms 46.369 ms
8 74.175.192.198 (74.175.192.198) 55.949 ms 63.804 ms 73.588 ms
9 cr2.nsvtn.ip.att.net (12.122.148.146) 126.817 ms 136.704 ms 148.458 ms
10 cr1.dlstx.ip.att.net (12.122.1.241) 158.087 ms 165.978 ms 173.819 ms
11 cr1.phmaz.ip.att.net (12.122.28.182) 185.588 ms 193.403 ms 201.151 ms
12 cr1.phmaz.ip.att.net (12.123.206.185) 209.080 ms 218.714 ms 226.538 ms
13 12-122-254-50.attens.net (12.122.254.50) 192.852 ms 85.948 ms 87.678 ms
14 mdf002c7613r0001-gig-12-1.phx1.attens.net (63.241.130.210) 97.308 ms mdf002c7613r0002-gig-10-1.phx1.attens.net (63.241.130.206) 280.945 ms 280.980 ms
15 63.241.131.53 (63.241.131.53) 125.010 ms 134.514 ms 144.308 ms
16 * * *
17 * * *
18 * * *
19 * * *
20 * * *
21 * * *
22 * * *
23 * * *
24 * * *
25 * * *
26 * * *
27 * * *
28 * * *
29 * * *
30 * * *
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Old 12-21-2011, 11:58 PM
Craig White
 
Default Fedora vs openSUSE

On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 09:15 +1100, Roger wrote:
> <snip>
>
> As the great Yogi Berra once said "This is like deja vu all over again."
>
>
> </snip>
>
> The truly great thing about his increasingly irrelevant conversation
> conversation is my <Delete Message> button, applied with gusto.
> Roger
----
evidently your aim isn't so good and you hit the reply button instead of
delete button.

Craig


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Old 12-22-2011, 12:05 AM
Marko Vojinovic
 
Default Fedora vs openSUSE

On Wednesday 21 December 2011 06:58:08 Antonio Olivares wrote:
>
> Still take for example the Android platform which is Linux/GNU/Linux.

Wait, is there really any GNU in the Android? I thought that Android was a
textbook example of a Linux-based non-GNU OS... ;-)

// And now the *real* flame wars will begin... Me ducks for cover, smiling in a
diabolic way... //

:->
Marko


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Old 12-22-2011, 12:35 AM
Ed Greshko
 
Default Fedora vs openSUSE

On 12/22/2011 09:05 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> // And now the *real* flame wars will begin... Me ducks for cover, smiling in a
> diabolic way... //

Does that mean you are openly admitting to status of "troll"? :-) :-)

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Old 12-22-2011, 01:09 AM
Roger
 
Default Fedora vs openSUSE

On 22/12/11 11:58, Craig White wrote:

On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 09:15 +1100, Roger wrote:

<snip>

As the great Yogi Berra once said "This is like deja vu all over again."


</snip>

The truly great thing about his increasingly irrelevant conversation
conversation is my<Delete Message> button, applied with gusto.
Roger

----
evidently your aim isn't so good and you hit the reply button instead of
delete button.

Craig

------------
Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone.
Roger




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Old 12-22-2011, 01:31 AM
Ed Greshko
 
Default Fedora vs openSUSE

On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote:
> Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone.

couple of hundred = 80 (including this one)

couple of hundred = hyperbole

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Old 12-22-2011, 01:46 AM
Craig White
 
Default Fedora vs openSUSE

On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote:
> > Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone.
>
> couple of hundred = 80 (including this one)
>
> couple of hundred = hyperbole
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listened.

;-)

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Old 12-22-2011, 02:11 AM
Marko Vojinovic
 
Default Fedora vs openSUSE

On Thursday 22 December 2011 09:35:59 Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 12/22/2011 09:05 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> > // And now the *real* flame wars will begin... Me ducks for cover,
> > smiling in a diabolic way... //
>
> Does that mean you are openly admitting to status of "troll"? :-) :-)

Nah, that wouldn't be a challenge. :-D The main thing I was trying was to get
*others* to label me as a troll, so that I could obtain my deserved place on
this list alongside with some other Great Trolls, but unfortunately I failed
every time.

I'm more like a troll wannabe, but never actually making the cut. ;-) What can
I do, my trolling skills just aren't good enough for people on this list...
They seem to see through my intentions, and refuse to grant me with a genuine
troll label, no matter how hard I try to convince them that I deserve it. ;-)

But thanks for the thought, it encourages me to keep trying. :-D

Best, :-)
Marko


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