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Old 12-12-2011, 08:28 PM
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Default fedora equivalent of recovery disk

On 12/12/2011 07:41 PM, Rich wrote:
<>

> no. It's file/device to file/device. Similar to dd with a number of
> additional features.
-=-



actually, ddrescue is no where near what op is looking for. in fact he
has not made any statement about needing to rescue/recover anything,
which ddrescue is intended for.

from;

http://www.gnu.org/s/ddrescue/ddrescue.html

it leads off;

GNU ddrescue is a data recovery tool. It copies data from one file or
block device (hard disc, cdrom, etc) to another, trying hard to rescue
data in case of read errors.


> You might want to consider an external drive. You can get a 250 Gig USB
> for around $50--at least in the US.
-=-

op might. i like cpio to tape drives for partition cloning and file backup.


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Old 12-12-2011, 08:29 PM
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On 12/12/2011 07:23 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/12/2011 09:11 AM, g wrote:
>> but i believe you and some others have lost sight of fact that op, paul
>> does not indicate that he has an external hdd and that he desires
>> ability to burn a clone/backup of system to dvd's and it will take
>> several.
>
> This is why I started out by suggesting that he get an external hard drive.
-=-

understood.

but it may not be an option and is something only op can answer.

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Old 12-12-2011, 08:42 PM
Joe Zeff
 
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On 12/12/2011 01:29 PM, g wrote:
> but it may not be an option and is something only op can answer.

Yeah; spending $50 for an external drive isn't an option when you don't
know where next month's rent is coming from and all you have to eat is
what your Food Stamps will cover. BTDTGTTS. I hate throwing somebody
else's money at a problem because I've had it done to me too many times
when I was broke, but I figured that in this case, either the expense
would be trivial or the OP would tell us why that's not an option, in
which case I'd try to think of something le$$ expen$ive.
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Old 12-13-2011, 02:37 AM
Paul Allen Newell
 
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[NOTE: there is a question at the end if you want to skip my reply to
all the emails posted]


To all who have responded, many thanks. There were alot of queries to go
through and I am only now at a point that I can take first look at them
as a collective suggestion.


I wanted to clarify a couple questions.

I have no objection to buying a memory stick large enough to hold the
image or an external hard drive. I did the following to see what I am
dealing with "worst case scenario":


+++
[root@yoyo ~]# du -hs /
du: cannot access `/proc/2395/task/2395/fd/4': No such file or directory
du: cannot access `/proc/2395/task/2395/fdinfo/4': No such file or directory
du: cannot access `/proc/2395/fd/4': No such file or directory
du: cannot access `/proc/2395/fdinfo/4': No such file or directory
du: cannot access `/home/paul/.gvfs': Permission denied
15G /
[root@yoyo ~]#
+++

[not certain about the permission denied and no such file/directory ???]

So if I bump it one to be safe, I can see prices for 32GB stick between
$35-$80. External hard drives for 500GB seem to be a bit more than
double ($75-$200). Heck, if I am considering getting the laptop
repaired, I already know that money will be moving out of my pocket. At
least the stick and/or hard drive can have other uses besides this one
emergency.


I would have preferred DVD set only because I wanted non-volatile memory
... burned and checked before restoring MS opsys. I've had sticks drop
info and hard drives can crash. But it is not a mandatory ... all of
your comments make it seem like stick or hard drive is a reasonable way
to go.


I am getting the sense that clonezilla is a good way to go compared to
some of the other ideas and Joe Zeff's comment of "Clonezilla has its
advantages, such as sanity checks and a progress bar" makes it sound
like what I need as sanity checks are real important. My sense is that
dd and/or ddrescue could be used but they were designed for other
purposes and therefore clonezilla may be the closest match to what I
want. I saw alot of other programs to look at, but the comment of
usb/hdrive with Clonezilla seemed to be the majority suggestion of choice.


I just got finished testing that I can use external video port on the
laptop (though I need a better cable) so I know that I can do the
operation without worrying if the laptop's display craps out. Not to
mention crapping out when restoring Vista from rescue disks.


Had the weird discovery that today it started out really bad (when it
was first turned on and presumably cool) and got better the longer it
stayed on. Overheating theory sinks in plausiblity and Jarmo's bad
hardware / connections obsevation moves up.


The list has been very helpful on answers to this one and I appreciate
it. I think its now up to me to get good VGA cable and probably 32GB
stick and give Clonezilla a try.


My two questions are ... am I correct in assuming that after I create
the stick that I can boot off it to test that it is a working copy? and
do I need partedmagic if all I want is clonezilla?


Thanks again,
Paul
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Old 12-13-2011, 03:13 AM
g
 
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On 12/13/2011 03:37 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
<>

> My two questions are ... am I correct in assuming that after I create
> the stick that I can boot off it to test that it is a working copy?
-=-

correct.

if you use a 32 gb memory stick, you can put 'partedmagic' on it, which
will use about 185 mg, rest of memory stick can be use for 'cloning'.

2 birds in hand, none in bush.


> do I need partedmagic if all I want is clonezilla?
-=-

you do not need 'partedmagic' if all you want is 'clonezilla'.

advantage of 'partedmagic' is it has 'clonezilla' and by using a memory
stick, you can/could add 'g4l', 81.2 as iso.

would require mounting iso as a 'loop' and coping file to memory stick.
which if you want, michael can help you with. or advise against.


> Thanks again,
-=-

most welcome.

much luck.

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Old 12-13-2011, 03:24 AM
Paul Allen Newell
 
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On 12/12/2011 8:13 PM, g wrote:

On 12/13/2011 03:37 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
<>


My two questions are ... am I correct in assuming that after I create
the stick that I can boot off it to test that it is a working copy?

-=-

correct.

if you use a 32 gb memory stick, you can put 'partedmagic' on it, which
will use about 185 mg, rest of memory stick can be use for 'cloning'.

2 birds in hand, none in bush.



do I need partedmagic if all I want is clonezilla?

-=-

you do not need 'partedmagic' if all you want is 'clonezilla'.

advantage of 'partedmagic' is it has 'clonezilla' and by using a memory
stick, you can/could add 'g4l', 81.2 as iso.

would require mounting iso as a 'loop' and coping file to memory stick.
which if you want, michael can help you with. or advise against.



Thanks again,

-=-

most welcome.

much luck.


G:

Thanks (once again) for your advice. From reading the Clonezilla page, I
got the feeling that the approach to take was to burn Clonezilla to
CD/DVD and use that to make image on USB such that the USB had the
image. I am presuming from your answer that if I put everything
(clonezilla and/or partedmagic and/or g4l and/or etc.) on the stick, it
will know to boot from the image and won't get confused by the rest.
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I've never tried anything like
this before and want to get the stupid out of the way with questions so
stupid doesn't happen when I do it.


I am not certain what you mean by "looping" and suspect that I am going
to want to follow the path of least resistance (elegance with multiple
options loses out to "just get me an image" that I can restore from)


I am waiting to see what Michael has to say re g4l ... now that I know I
can work with external video I've got a bit more comfort as I don't feel
that I'd better do it before the display permanantly dies (though I am
obviously not interested in waiting until such happens in case more than
the laptop's display dies)


Paul
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Old 12-13-2011, 04:40 AM
g
 
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On 12/13/2011 04:24 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
<>

> G:
>
> Thanks (once again) for your advice. From reading the Clonezilla page, I
> got the feeling that the approach to take was to burn Clonezilla to
> CD/DVD and use that to make image on USB such that the USB had the
> image. I am presuming from your answer that if I put everything
> (clonezilla and/or partedmagic and/or g4l and/or etc.) on the stick, it
> will know to boot from the image and won't get confused by the rest.
-=-

apoligies for confusing you.

partedmagic can be installed to a usb stick;

http://partedmagic.com/doku.php?id=creating_the_liveusb

partedmagic has clonezilla, all programs are listed at;

http://partedmagic.com/doku.php?id=programs

> Sorry if this is a dumb question,
-=-

no such thing as a 'dumb question'. only 'dumb mistakes' by not asking
questions. :-)

> I am not certain what you mean by "looping"
-=-

bad choice of word on my part. should have said "loop device";

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loop_device


after thinking about that one, 2 choices.

if michael advises against pulling g4l files out of iso image, partition
usb stick. 1 for partedmagic, 1 for g4l, 1 for clone backup.

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Old 12-13-2011, 04:57 AM
Paul Allen Newell
 
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On 12/12/2011 9:40 PM, g wrote:


[...]
-=-

apoligies for confusing you.


if michael advises against pulling g4l files out of iso image, partition
usb stick. 1 for partedmagic, 1 for g4l, 1 for clone backup.



G:

Let me reply tomorrow, thanks in advance

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Old 12-13-2011, 05:12 AM
g
 
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On 12/13/2011 05:57 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> On 12/12/2011 9:40 PM, g wrote:
>> [...]
>> -=-
>>
>> apoligies for confusing you.
>>
>>
>> if michael advises against pulling g4l files out of iso image, partition
>> usb stick. 1 for partedmagic, 1 for g4l, 1 for clone backup.
>>
>
> G:
>
> Let me reply tomorrow, thanks in advance
-=-

fine with me. i need to crash early so i can make it to doctors office
early.

later.


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Old 12-13-2011, 04:27 PM
g
 
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On 12/12/2011 05:54 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
<>

> Before I consider actually doing it, I wanted to ask if there is the
> equivalent of "a recovery disk" that I can create with k3b so,

back to the begining. thread has gotten so long, this is easier than
finding my post that i know caused you more confusion.


in that post, i stated to install 'partedmagic' on a usb stick;

http://partedmagic.com/doku.php?id=creating_the_liveusb

and add 'g4l' by pulling files, or as a second boot. *not needed*.


my bad. to correct, 'partedmagic' has both 'clonezilla' and 'g4l' on
it so there is no need to install it a second time.

as i recall posting;

http://partedmagic.com/doku.php

in 'programs' page;

http://partedmagic.com/doku.php?id=programs

shows 'clonezilla';

http://clonezilla.org/

listed, but does not list 'g4l';

http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/

it is there, because when i rebooted after my last email to thread last
night, i booted 'partedmagic' again to have another look.

i brought up both 'clonezilla' and 'g4l' and both are very straight
forward in their menus and you should have no problem using either.

understand, i do not claim to be an 'it specialist', such titles where
not know in 70's when i started learning about micro computer systems on
s100 buss.

because micro computers and 'it' were not being taught, i had to order
manuals from manufacturers to learn about the cpu's and assembler language.

so, because i am a lowly micro computer technician, self claimed title,
who builds, services, maintains personal computers, and who design, builds,
services, maintains micro cpu controllers, i will recommend getting a usb
memory stick, install 'partedmagic' on a partition of it, boot it and
decide for yourself which is easier, then use second partition of usb
stick to back your linux system up.

after you get your laptop serviced, reinstall fedora linux from usb stick.

if you want to free up usb stick, use fedora to back 'partedmagic' off usb
stick to a cd. this way you have usb stick for what ever use you want. if
needed, you can reinstall later to usb stick.


again, my apoligies for confusion. due to pain i was having, i took 2
500 mg hydrocodone tabs and i will contribute that to my further confusing
next to last post last nigh.

i am now off to doctor's office. will check email when i return to see if
you have made any progress.


much luck.

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