Anyone know what this is? I couldn't find any relevant pages in Google.
I have a file called "??" (no quotes) in the home directory of my
mythtv user. When I try to do anything to the file it acts like it's
not there. Is this something that fsck would fix? I don't know if it's
related but I noticed it after using "switchdesk" a few times to try
different desktop managers.
Relevant info:
F8 x86_64
Thanks,
Richard
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03-24-2008, 09:30 PM
"Patrick O'Callaghan"
"??" file in home dir.
On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 16:29 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
> Anyone know what this is? I couldn't find any relevant pages in Google.
>
> I have a file called "??" (no quotes) in the home directory of my
> mythtv user. When I try to do anything to the file it acts like it's
> not there. Is this something that fsck would fix? I don't know if it's
> related but I noticed it after using "switchdesk" a few times to try
> different desktop managers.
Probably came from a a malformed Shell redirect or whatever. Anyway,
given that the Shell will interpret ?? to mean "any file with a
two-letter name", need to escape the ? characters in order to pass the
filename to the Shell, e.g.: rm ??
You can also use the "-i" option to rm.
poc
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03-24-2008, 11:34 PM
inode0
"??" file in home dir.
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Richard Shaw <hobbes1069@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone know what this is? I couldn't find any relevant pages in Google.
>
> I have a file called "??" (no quotes) in the home directory of my
> mythtv user. When I try to do anything to the file it acts like it's
> not there. Is this something that fsck would fix? I don't know if it's
> related but I noticed it after using "switchdesk" a few times to try
> different desktop managers.
try some things like
$ ls -l '??'
$ file '??'
to get started figuring out what it is ... if a text file then
$ cat '??'
to look at it, etc.
John
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03-25-2008, 06:20 AM
John Summerfield
"??" file in home dir.
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 16:29 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
Anyone know what this is? I couldn't find any relevant pages in Google.
I have a file called "??" (no quotes) in the home directory of my
mythtv user. When I try to do anything to the file it acts like it's
not there. Is this something that fsck would fix? I don't know if it's
related but I noticed it after using "switchdesk" a few times to try
different desktop managers.
Probably came from a a malformed Shell redirect or whatever. Anyway,
given that the Shell will interpret ?? to mean "any file with a
two-letter name", need to escape the ? characters in order to pass the
filename to the Shell, e.g.: rm ??
Id' say it's a dodgy name, might not br ?? at all.
Try
echo ?? | xxd
eg
16:20 [summer@numbat ~]$ echo ?? | xxd
0000000: 3277 2061 7520 6b73 2073 7720 7433 2074 2w au ks sw t3 t
0000010: 6d20 7474 2076 6d0a m tt vm.
16:20 [summer@numbat ~]$ echo ??
2w au ks sw t3 tm tt vm
16:20 [summer@numbat ~]$
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03-27-2008, 01:41 AM
"Richard Shaw"
"??" file in home dir.
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:20 AM, John Summerfield
<debian@herakles.homelinux.org> wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 16:29 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
> >> Anyone know what this is? I couldn't find any relevant pages in Google.
> >>
> >> I have a file called "??" (no quotes) in the home directory of my
> >> mythtv user. When I try to do anything to the file it acts like it's
> >> not there. Is this something that fsck would fix? I don't know if it's
> >> related but I noticed it after using "switchdesk" a few times to try
> >> different desktop managers.
> >
> > Probably came from a a malformed Shell redirect or whatever. Anyway,
> > given that the Shell will interpret ?? to mean "any file with a
> > two-letter name", need to escape the ? characters in order to pass the
> > filename to the Shell, e.g.: rm ??
> >
>
> Id' say it's a dodgy name, might not br ?? at all.
>
> Try
> echo ?? | xxd
>
> eg
> 16:20 [summer@numbat ~]$ echo ?? | xxd
> 0000000: 3277 2061 7520 6b73 2073 7720 7433 2074 2w au ks sw t3 t
> 0000010: 6d20 7474 2076 6d0a m tt vm.
> 16:20 [summer@numbat ~]$ echo ??
> 2w au ks sw t3 tm tt vm
> 16:20 [summer@numbat ~]$
>
>
> --
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> Cheers
> John
>
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>
Tried everything everyone suggested, no matter what I do it gives me
the standard "No file or directory" blah blah blah... Maybe I should
just fsck it and see if it goes away...
Richard
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03-27-2008, 01:50 AM
"Robert P. J. Day"
"??" file in home dir.
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Richard Shaw wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:20 AM, John Summerfield
> <debian@herakles.homelinux.org> wrote:
> > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 16:29 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
> > >> Anyone know what this is? I couldn't find any relevant pages in Google.
> > >>
> > >> I have a file called "??" (no quotes) in the home directory of my
> > >> mythtv user. When I try to do anything to the file it acts like it's
> > >> not there. Is this something that fsck would fix? I don't know if it's
> > >> related but I noticed it after using "switchdesk" a few times to try
> > >> different desktop managers.
> > >
> > > Probably came from a a malformed Shell redirect or whatever. Anyway,
> > > given that the Shell will interpret ?? to mean "any file with a
> > > two-letter name", need to escape the ? characters in order to pass the
> > > filename to the Shell, e.g.: rm ??
> > >
> >
> > Id' say it's a dodgy name, might not br ?? at all.
> >
> > Try
> > echo ?? | xxd
> >
> > eg
> > 16:20 [summer@numbat ~]$ echo ?? | xxd
> > 0000000: 3277 2061 7520 6b73 2073 7720 7433 2074 2w au ks sw t3 t
> > 0000010: 6d20 7474 2076 6d0a m tt vm.
> > 16:20 [summer@numbat ~]$ echo ??
> > 2w au ks sw t3 tm tt vm
> > 16:20 [summer@numbat ~]$
>
> Tried everything everyone suggested, no matter what I do it gives me
> the standard "No file or directory" blah blah blah... Maybe I should
> just fsck it and see if it goes away...
try
$ ls -l | cat -etv
that might show you if there are special characters (like tabs)
embedded in the filename.
rday
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03-27-2008, 01:58 AM
Roger Heflin
"??" file in home dir.
Richard Shaw wrote:
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:20 AM, John Summerfield
<debian@herakles.homelinux.org> wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 16:29 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
>> Anyone know what this is? I couldn't find any relevant pages in Google.
>>
>> I have a file called "??" (no quotes) in the home directory of my
>> mythtv user. When I try to do anything to the file it acts like it's
>> not there. Is this something that fsck would fix? I don't know if it's
>> related but I noticed it after using "switchdesk" a few times to try
>> different desktop managers.
>
> Probably came from a a malformed Shell redirect or whatever. Anyway,
> given that the Shell will interpret ?? to mean "any file with a
> two-letter name", need to escape the ? characters in order to pass the
> filename to the Shell, e.g.: rm ??
>
Id' say it's a dodgy name, might not br ?? at all.
Try
echo ?? | xxd
eg
16:20 [summer@numbat ~]$ echo ?? | xxd
0000000: 3277 2061 7520 6b73 2073 7720 7433 2074 2w au ks sw t3 t
0000010: 6d20 7474 2076 6d0a m tt vm.
16:20 [summer@numbat ~]$ echo ??
2w au ks sw t3 tm tt vm
16:20 [summer@numbat ~]$
Tried everything everyone suggested, no matter what I do it gives me
the standard "No file or directory" blah blah blah... Maybe I should
just fsck it and see if it goes away...
Richard
cd to dir with the file
find | more
note the inode number of the problem file.
find -inum number -ls
Make sure the above returns the correct file.
then run:
find -inum number -exec rm -i {} ;
Roger
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03-27-2008, 02:06 AM
"Richard Shaw"
"??" file in home dir.
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Robert P. J. Day <rpjday@crashcourse.ca> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Richard Shaw wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:20 AM, John Summerfield
> > <debian@herakles.homelinux.org> wrote:
> > > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 16:29 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
> > > >> Anyone know what this is? I couldn't find any relevant pages in Google.
> > > >>
> > > >> I have a file called "??" (no quotes) in the home directory of my
> > > >> mythtv user. When I try to do anything to the file it acts like it's
> > > >> not there. Is this something that fsck would fix? I don't know if it's
> > > >> related but I noticed it after using "switchdesk" a few times to try
> > > >> different desktop managers.
> > > >
> > > > Probably came from a a malformed Shell redirect or whatever. Anyway,
> > > > given that the Shell will interpret ?? to mean "any file with a
> > > > two-letter name", need to escape the ? characters in order to pass the
> > > > filename to the Shell, e.g.: rm ??
> > > >
> > >
> > > Id' say it's a dodgy name, might not br ?? at all.
> > >
> > > Try
> > > echo ?? | xxd
> > >
> > > eg
> > > 16:20 [summer@numbat ~]$ echo ?? | xxd
> > > 0000000: 3277 2061 7520 6b73 2073 7720 7433 2074 2w au ks sw t3 t
> > > 0000010: 6d20 7474 2076 6d0a m tt vm.
> > > 16:20 [summer@numbat ~]$ echo ??
> > > 2w au ks sw t3 tm tt vm
> > > 16:20 [summer@numbat ~]$
> >
>
> > Tried everything everyone suggested, no matter what I do it gives me
> > the standard "No file or directory" blah blah blah... Maybe I should
> > just fsck it and see if it goes away...
>
> try
>
> $ ls -l | cat -etv
>
> that might show you if there are special characters (like tabs)
> embedded in the filename.
>
> rday
That got me a little closer to an answer but I'm not sure how to
interpret the results.
ls -l gives me:
-rw-rw-r-- 1 mythuser root 44 2008-03-17 22:10 ??
ls -l | cat -etv gives me:
-rw-rw-r-- 1 mythuser root 44 2008-03-17 22:10 M-`M-sM-,$
But how do I interpret the non-printable characters in order to remove the file?
Thanks,
Richard
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03-27-2008, 02:22 AM
"Richard Shaw"
"??" file in home dir.
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Roger Heflin <rogerheflin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Richard Shaw wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:20 AM, John Summerfield
> > <debian@herakles.homelinux.org> wrote:
> >> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> >> > On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 16:29 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
> >> >> Anyone know what this is? I couldn't find any relevant pages in Google.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have a file called "??" (no quotes) in the home directory of my
> >> >> mythtv user. When I try to do anything to the file it acts like it's
> >> >> not there. Is this something that fsck would fix? I don't know if it's
> >> >> related but I noticed it after using "switchdesk" a few times to try
> >> >> different desktop managers.
> >> >
> >> > Probably came from a a malformed Shell redirect or whatever. Anyway,
> >> > given that the Shell will interpret ?? to mean "any file with a
> >> > two-letter name", need to escape the ? characters in order to pass the
> >> > filename to the Shell, e.g.: rm ??
> >> >
> >>
> >> Id' say it's a dodgy name, might not br ?? at all.
> >>
> >> Try
> >> echo ?? | xxd
> >>
> >> eg
> >> 16:20 [summer@numbat ~]$ echo ?? | xxd
> >> 0000000: 3277 2061 7520 6b73 2073 7720 7433 2074 2w au ks sw t3 t
> >> 0000010: 6d20 7474 2076 6d0a m tt vm.
> >> 16:20 [summer@numbat ~]$ echo ??
> >> 2w au ks sw t3 tm tt vm
> >> 16:20 [summer@numbat ~]$
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> John
> >>
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> >> http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php
> >> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
> >>
> >> You cannot reply off-list:-)
> >>
> >
> > Tried everything everyone suggested, no matter what I do it gives me
> > the standard "No file or directory" blah blah blah... Maybe I should
> > just fsck it and see if it goes away...
> >
> > Richard
> >
> cd to dir with the file
> find | more
>
> note the inode number of the problem file.
>
> find -inum number -ls
>
> Make sure the above returns the correct file.
>
> then run:
> find -inum number -exec rm -i {} ;
>
> Roger
Thanks! That worked. The only thing I did differntley was to use "ll
-i' instead of using find | more because I have a lot of files in my
home directory and it was painful trying to sort through them all.
I also found 'll -b' whch shows the escaped character which is
actually how rm found it:
-rw-rw-r-- 1 mythuser root 44 2008-03-17 22:10 340363254
Thanks,
Richard
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03-27-2008, 02:57 AM
Todd Zullinger
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Richard Shaw wrote:
> Thanks! That worked. The only thing I did differntley was to use "ll
> -i' instead of using find | more because I have a lot of files in my
> home directory and it was painful trying to sort through them all.
>
> I also found 'll -b' whch shows the escaped character which is
> actually how rm found it:
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 mythuser root 44 2008-03-17 22:10 340363254
Another method that should have worked nicely, using the output from
ls -b:
rm $'340363254'
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