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Old 11-15-2011, 09:21 AM
Deron Meranda
 
Default F15 to F16 upgrade via DVD does not recognize previous installation

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:00 AM, Deron Meranda <deron.meranda@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm attempting to upgrade a Fedora 15 installation using the F16 DVD.
> However anaconda is never giving me a choice to upgrade; instead it

I may be getting hit by bug 748119

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=748119

as my /var is mounted on a different filesystem than /


I'll have to try the somewhat awkward workarounds listed in that bug
later and see where I get.
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Old 11-15-2011, 01:31 PM
Greg Woods
 
Default F15 to F16 upgrade via DVD does not recognize previous installation

On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 05:21 -0500, Deron Meranda wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:00 AM, Deron Meranda <deron.meranda@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm attempting to upgrade a Fedora 15 installation using the F16 DVD.
> > However anaconda is never giving me a choice to upgrade; instead it
>
> I may be getting hit by bug 748119
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=748119
>
> as my /var is mounted on a different filesystem than /

I have the same issue, and my /var is also mounted on a separate file
system (which I thought was standard practice; who wants root to fill up
because a logging process runs wild?)

I too will see if I can work around the problem tonight, thanks for the
bugzilla pointer.

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Old 11-15-2011, 02:04 PM
Timothy Murphy
 
Default F15 to F16 upgrade via DVD does not recognize previous installation

Greg Woods wrote:

>> I may be getting hit by bug 748119
>>
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=748119
>>
>> as my /var is mounted on a different filesystem than /
>
> I have the same issue, and my /var is also mounted on a separate file
> system (which I thought was standard practice; who wants root to fill up
> because a logging process runs wild?)

I've often wondered if it made sense to keep /var on a separate partition.
I did it for a time, but then gave up as I couldn't remember
why I was doing it.
I see from the official (if obsolete) Linux Filesystem Hierarchy document
that the idea is to keep /usr read-only,
but I've a feeling quite a few things are written to /usr nowadays.
Also must be a bit of a bore updating the system?

I see that web-servers keep a lot of fairly constant stuff in /var/www .

Just a thought ...



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Old 11-15-2011, 02:29 PM
Ralf Corsepius
 
Default F15 to F16 upgrade via DVD does not recognize previous installation

On 11/15/2011 04:04 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Greg Woods wrote:
>
>>> I may be getting hit by bug 748119
>>>
>>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=748119
>>>
>>> as my /var is mounted on a different filesystem than /
>>
>> I have the same issue, and my /var is also mounted on a separate file
>> system (which I thought was standard practice; who wants root to fill up
>> because a logging process runs wild?)
>
> I've often wondered if it made sense to keep /var on a separate partition.
> I did it for a time, but then gave up as I couldn't remember
> why I was doing it.
Various application fill /var at run-time.

Keeping /var on a separate partition is a simple means to avoid
malfunctions of the systems by something filling up the "whole
diskspace" by accident or by malicious users, and thus to cause "denial
of services".

A classical example would be filling up a servers' spool area (often
under /var) by huge print jobs or by huge emails.

A Fedora/RH specific classic such case is users setting "keepcache=1" in
/etc/yum.conf and them then forgetting to cleanup /var/cache/yum. At
some point they wonder why they are running out of disk-space.

Ralf
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Old 11-15-2011, 09:59 PM
Greg Woods
 
Default F15 to F16 upgrade via DVD does not recognize previous installation

On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 07:31 -0700, Greg Woods wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 05:21 -0500, Deron Meranda wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:00 AM, Deron Meranda <deron.meranda@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I'm attempting to upgrade a Fedora 15 installation using the F16 DVD.
> > > However anaconda is never giving me a choice to upgrade; instead it
> >
> > I may be getting hit by bug 748119
> >
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=748119
> >
> > as my /var is mounted on a different filesystem than /
>
> I have the same issue, and my /var is also mounted on a separate file
> system

I did get the upgrade to succeed, by using the workaround of
copying /var/lib/rpm to the root partition. But now I have a number of
broken packages that I cannot update. Most of them are qemu packages
that want to install something called "ceph", and that refuses to
install because it requires libunwind.so.7 . What is libunwind and where
do I find it? I tried "yum whatprovides */libunwind*" but there are no
matches.

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Old 11-15-2011, 11:27 PM
Greg Woods
 
Default F15 to F16 upgrade via DVD does not recognize previous installation

On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 15:11 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> yum provides */libunwind

Still get "No Matches found"

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Old 11-15-2011, 11:30 PM
Greg Woods
 
Default F15 to F16 upgrade via DVD does not recognize previous installation

On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 15:59 -0700, Greg Woods wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 07:31 -0700, Greg Woods wrote:
> > On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 05:21 -0500, Deron Meranda wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:00 AM, Deron Meranda <deron.meranda@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I'm attempting to upgrade a Fedora 15 installation using the F16 DVD.
> > > > However anaconda is never giving me a choice to upgrade; instead it
> > >
> > > I may be getting hit by bug 748119
> > >
> > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=748119
> > >
> > > as my /var is mounted on a different filesystem than /
> >
> > I have the same issue, and my /var is also mounted on a separate file
> > system
>
> I did get the upgrade to succeed, by using the workaround of
> copying /var/lib/rpm to the root partition. But now I have a number of
> broken packages that I cannot update.

In addition, the gnome-shell-extension-alternative-status-menu no longer
works; I can no longer shut down or hibernate (incredible that this is
the default). I even tried removing and reinstalling the package. So I
have to use the workaround of "pm-hibernate" or "shutdown -h now" at the
command line.

--Greg


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Old 11-16-2011, 02:31 PM
Greg Woods
 
Default F15 to F16 upgrade via DVD does not recognize previous installation

On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 15:59 -0700, Greg Woods wrote:

>
> I did get the upgrade to succeed, by using the workaround of
> copying /var/lib/rpm to the root partition. But now I have a number of
> broken packages that I cannot update. Most of them are qemu packages
> that want to install something called "ceph", and that refuses to
> install because it requires libunwind.so.7 .

Looks like qemu-common requires ceph, ceph requires
google-perftools-libs, and google-perftools-libs requires libunwind.
According to what I have been able to find on the fedoraproject.org web
site, libunwind has not been implemented yet. Am I really the only one
having this problem?

I worked around it by installing the google-perftools-libs package with
"rpm --nodeps". This allows qemu to update and everything seems to work,
but obviously this could bite me in the ass at some point, and equally
obviously, I shouldn't have to do this.

I'd file a bug against google-perftools-libs for requiring a bogus
library, but this seems like a problem that others should have run in
to, and I am reluctant to file a bug that will turn out to be my own
screwup somehow.

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