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10-13-2011, 04:59 PM
Digimer
Dennis Ritchie
On 10/13/2011 12:10 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> On Thursday 13 October 2011 15:41:24 Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> Fedora 17 name has already been voted upon. Fedora 18 codename
>> suggestions will be requested when Fedora 17 is about to be released
>
> I think it would be more appropriate to rename F16, rather than wait for a
> whole year to pay respects to the man. Since Ritche was a key inventor of both
> C and UNIX, I believe a case can be made to make an exception and rename the
> first upcoming release, which will be F16.
>
> Rahul, can you present the case to the relevant people, maybe open a vote on
> it so that everyone can formally state their opinion?
>
> My suggestion is the following:
>
> (1) Rename F16 to "Ritchie" (or "Dennis", whatever people like better),
> (2) Rename F17 to "Verne" (in order not to insult the great writer),
> (3) Rename F18 to "Beefy Miracle" (in order to keep the chain of "is a"
> naming).
>
> I think that is the least Fedora Community can do to pay respects to Dennis
> Ritchie. Opinions?
>
> Best, :-)
> Marko
F16 is more or less finished. To change it's name now would require
updating RPMs which, though it would be effectively a trivial change,
runs the risk on introducing bugs.
Fedora 17 is much, much earlier into it's life cycle. It could be more
easily changed, from a technical perspective, but not likely from a
political structure.
Having him honoured in the F18 release will still serve a core function;
It will trigger discussion, and thus remembrance, of his legacy for the
next year to come, at minimum. So for this reason, proposing F18's name
in his honour will be fitting and appropriate, I would think.
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10-13-2011, 05:06 PM
Fennix
Dennis Ritchie
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Digimer <linux@alteeve.com> wrote:
On 10/13/2011 12:10 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> On Thursday 13 October 2011 15:41:24 Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> Fedora 17 name has already been voted upon. Fedora 18 codename
>> suggestions will be requested when Fedora 17 is about to be released
>
> I think it would be more appropriate to rename F16, rather than wait for a
> whole year to pay respects to the man. Since Ritche was a key inventor of both
> C and UNIX, I believe a case can be made to make an exception and rename the
> first upcoming release, which will be F16.
>
> Rahul, can you present the case to the relevant people, maybe open a vote on
> it so that everyone can formally state their opinion?
>
> My suggestion is the following:
>
> (1) Rename F16 to "Ritchie" (or "Dennis", whatever people like better),
> (2) Rename F17 to "Verne" (in order not to insult the great writer),
> (3) Rename F18 to "Beefy Miracle" (in order to keep the chain of "is a"
> naming).
>
> I think that is the least Fedora Community can do to pay respects to Dennis
> Ritchie. Opinions?
>
> Best, :-)
> Marko
F16 is more or less finished. To change it's name now would require
updating RPMs which, though it would be effectively a trivial change,
runs the risk on introducing bugs.
Fedora 17 is much, much earlier into it's life cycle. It could be more
easily changed, from a technical perspective, but not likely from a
political structure.
Having him honoured in the F18 release will still serve a core function;
It will trigger discussion, and thus remembrance, of his legacy for the
next year to come, at minimum. So for this reason, proposing F18's name
in his honour will be fitting and appropriate, I would think.
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I should hope that we can change the name and remember Dennis Ritchie now...and not a year later, 2 releases later....
Fennix.....
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10-13-2011, 05:09 PM
Reindl Harald
Dennis Ritchie
Am 13.10.2011 19:06, schrieb Fennix:
> I should hope that we can change the name and remember Dennis Ritchie now...
> and not a year later, 2 releases later....
>
> Fennix.....
+1
if the change of the technical non-relevant name cause a technical
problem for the update i think there should be something improved
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10-13-2011, 05:09 PM
Marko Vojinovic
Dennis Ritchie
On Thursday 13 October 2011 17:59:32 Digimer wrote:
> On 10/13/2011 12:10 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> > On Thursday 13 October 2011 15:41:24 Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> >> Fedora 17 name has already been voted upon. Fedora 18 codename
> >> suggestions will be requested when Fedora 17 is about to be released
> >
> > I think it would be more appropriate to rename F16, rather than wait for
> > a whole year to pay respects to the man. Since Ritche was a key inventor
> > of both C and UNIX, I believe a case can be made to make an exception
> > and rename the first upcoming release, which will be F16.
> >
> > Rahul, can you present the case to the relevant people, maybe open a vote
> > on it so that everyone can formally state their opinion?
> >
> > My suggestion is the following:
> >
> > (1) Rename F16 to "Ritchie" (or "Dennis", whatever people like better),
> > (2) Rename F17 to "Verne" (in order not to insult the great writer),
> > (3) Rename F18 to "Beefy Miracle" (in order to keep the chain of "is a"
> > naming).
> >
> > I think that is the least Fedora Community can do to pay respects to
> > Dennis Ritchie. Opinions?
> >
> > Best, :-)
> > Marko
>
> F16 is more or less finished. To change it's name now would require
> updating RPMs which, though it would be effectively a trivial change,
> runs the risk on introducing bugs.
Oh, come on, what kind of bug could changing one string in /etc/redhat-release
ever induce? I believe it is easier (and more honorable) to rebuild the
fedora-release rpm (or is that generic-release?) for F16 and recalculate the
hash *before* F16 is released, rather than waiting for six more months to pay
respects to Ritchie. It certainly is a trivial change, technically.
Best, :-)
Marko
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10-13-2011, 05:13 PM
Marko Vojinovic
Dennis Ritchie
> > On 10/13/2011 12:10 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> > > On Thursday 13 October 2011 15:41:24 Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > >> Fedora 17 name has already been voted upon. Fedora 18 codename
> > >> suggestions will be requested when Fedora 17 is about to be released
> > >
> > > I think it would be more appropriate to rename F16, rather than wait
> > > for
> >
> > a
> >
> > > whole year to pay respects to the man. Since Ritche was a key inventor
> > > of
> >
> > both
> >
> > > C and UNIX, I believe a case can be made to make an exception and
> > > rename
> >
> > the
> >
> > > first upcoming release, which will be F16.
> > >
> > > Rahul, can you present the case to the relevant people, maybe open a
> > > vote
> >
> > on
> >
> > > it so that everyone can formally state their opinion?
> > >
> > > My suggestion is the following:
> > >
> > > (1) Rename F16 to "Ritchie" (or "Dennis", whatever people like better),
> > > (2) Rename F17 to "Verne" (in order not to insult the great writer),
> > > (3) Rename F18 to "Beefy Miracle" (in order to keep the chain of "is a"
> > > naming).
> > >
> > > I think that is the least Fedora Community can do to pay respects to
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> > > Ritchie. Opinions?
I have just sent the official proposal to Fedora Advisory Board list, as Rahul
suggested. Now we wait and see what happens. :-) Anyone willing to chime in on
the dissussion there, please do.
Best, :-)
Marko
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10-13-2011, 05:20 PM
Anoop
Dennis Ritchie
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Peter A <loony@loonybin.org> wrote:
> On Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:50:40 AM Digimer wrote:
>> On 10/13/2011 10:41 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> > On 10/13/2011 07:44 PM, Leonardo wrote:
>> >> where do we vote for this name for the next release?
>> >
>> > Fedora 17 name has already been voted upon. Fedora 18 codename
>> > suggestions will be requested when Fedora 17 is about to be released
>> >
>> > Rahul
>>
>> Woops, I meant F18.
> And in my opinion, Dennis' death is reason enough to change the F17 name even
> though it has already been voted upon... After all that is what paying your
> final respect is - changing your plans to acknowledge the passing of someone
> great. When you have a minute of silence, you don't just go out and say "mourn
> for a minute whenever don't have anything better to do" but you set a time and
> no matter what is going on, expect people to show their respects...
+1
>
> Peter.
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10-13-2011, 05:59 PM
suvayu ali
Dennis Ritchie
Hi Marko,
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Marko Vojinovic <vvmarko@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have just sent the official proposal to Fedora Advisory Board list, as Rahul
> suggested. Now we wait and see what happens. :-) Anyone willing to chime in on
> the dissussion there, please do.
Could you please post the link to the thread.
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10-13-2011, 06:21 PM
Marko Vojinovic
Dennis Ritchie
On Thursday 13 October 2011 18:59:03 suvayu ali wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Marko Vojinovic <vvmarko@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have just sent the official proposal to Fedora Advisory Board list, as
> > Rahul suggested. Now we wait and see what happens. :-) Anyone willing to
> > chime in on the dissussion there, please do.
>
> Could you please post the link to the thread.
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10-13-2011, 06:23 PM
gary artim
Dennis Ritchie
sounds like a definite!!! c head that i am...g.
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 7:05 AM, Clive Hills <discordianuk@gmail.com> wrote:
> Would it not be appropriate for Fedora to pay some kind of tribute to the
> late and recently deceased Dennis Ritchie?
>
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