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Old 09-02-2011, 01:14 AM
Robert Arkiletian
 
Default Vote to extend F14 security updates

I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because
of gnome3. In order to help the community stay with Fedora, could
security updates for F14 be provided until F17 is released?
Hopefully by then gnome3 will be fully baked.

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Old 09-02-2011, 02:25 AM
"Peter G. "
 
Default Vote to extend F14 security updates

Robert Arkiletian wrote:

> I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because
> of gnome3.

Boo hoo.

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Old 09-02-2011, 06:18 AM
Christopher Svanefalk
 
Default Vote to extend F14 security updates

On 09/02/2011 04:25 AM, Peter G. wrote:
> Robert Arkiletian wrote:
>
>> I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because
>> of gnome3.
> Boo hoo.
>

He is not alone
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Old 09-02-2011, 06:36 AM
Paul Allen Newell
 
Default Vote to extend F14 security updates

On 9/1/2011 11:18 PM, Christopher Svanefalk wrote:
> On 09/02/2011 04:25 AM, Peter G. wrote:
>> Robert Arkiletian wrote:
>>
>>> I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because
>>> of gnome3.
>> Boo hoo.
>>
> He is not alone

+1


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Old 09-02-2011, 06:43 AM
Rahul Sundaram
 
Default Vote to extend F14 security updates

On 09/02/2011 06:44 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote:
> I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because
> of gnome3. In order to help the community stay with Fedora, could
> security updates for F14 be provided until F17 is released?
> Hopefully by then gnome3 will be fully baked.

The only real way to vote for such issues is to step up and do it. It
is a lot of work to extend the updates cycle for a distribution.

Rahul
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Old 09-02-2011, 06:51 AM
Paul Allen Newell
 
Default Vote to extend F14 security updates

On 9/1/2011 11:43 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 09/02/2011 06:44 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote:
>> I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because
>> of gnome3. In order to help the community stay with Fedora, could
>> security updates for F14 be provided until F17 is released?
>> Hopefully by then gnome3 will be fully baked.
> The only real way to vote for such issues is to step up and do it. It
> is a lot of work to extend the updates cycle for a distribution.
>
> Rahul
Hum ... I find it a difficult proposition to ask users "to step up and
do it" when the march of progress indicates that it wasn't the users
that asked for this change. Change may be good, but I think alot of the
feedback on this forum has shown that the cliche of "not ready for prime
time" is valid for a significant number of folks hitting Gnome3 in F15.

Full disclosure comment: I have not moved to F15 because of what I have
read on this forum. I am hoping F16 gets a better response.

Paul
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Old 09-02-2011, 07:22 AM
Pasha R
 
Default Vote to extend F14 security updates

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Paul Allen Newell <pnewell@cs.cmu.edu> wrote:
> On 9/1/2011 11:43 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> On 09/02/2011 06:44 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote:
>>> I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because
>>> of gnome3. In order to help the community stay with Fedora, could
>>> security updates for F14 be provided until F17 is released?
>>> Hopefully by then gnome3 will be fully baked.
>> The only real way to vote for such issues is to step up and do it. * It
>> is a lot of work to extend the updates cycle for a distribution.
>>
>> Rahul
> Hum ... I find it a difficult proposition to ask users "to step up and
> do it" when the march of progress indicates that it wasn't the users
> that asked for this change. Change may be good, but I think alot of the
> feedback on this forum has shown that the cliche of "not ready for prime
> time" is valid for a significant number of folks hitting Gnome3 in F15.
>
> Full disclosure comment: I have not moved to F15 because of what I have

That would be nice, but I doubt Fedora devs will do it.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:00 AM
Terry Polzin
 
Default Vote to extend F14 security updates

On Fri, 2011-09-02 at 08:18 +0200, Christopher Svanefalk wrote:
> On 09/02/2011 04:25 AM, Peter G. wrote:
> > Robert Arkiletian wrote:
> >
> >> I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because
> >> of gnome3.
> > Boo hoo.
> >
>
> He is not alone

Definitely not alone. Even XFCE in F-15 can be a bear.

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Old 09-02-2011, 12:51 PM
Digimer
 
Default Vote to extend F14 security updates

On 09/01/2011 09:14 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote:
> I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because
> of gnome3. In order to help the community stay with Fedora, could
> security updates for F14 be provided until F17 is released?
> Hopefully by then gnome3 will be fully baked.

If you have an environment that requires longer life cycles, have you
considered CentOS 6? It, and it's upstream distro, are roughly
equivalent to Fedora 12 (with many, many changes). It will be supported
for another six years or so, iirc. That should leave you with a platform
you will find familiar.

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Old 09-02-2011, 01:06 PM
Mike Wohlgemuth
 
Default Vote to extend F14 security updates

On 09/02/2011 02:51 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> Hum ... I find it a difficult proposition to ask users "to step up and
> do it" when the march of progress indicates that it wasn't the users
> that asked for this change. Change may be good, but I think alot of the
> feedback on this forum has shown that the cliche of "not ready for prime
> time" is valid for a significant number of folks hitting Gnome3 in F15.
>
> Full disclosure comment: I have not moved to F15 because of what I have
> read on this forum. I am hoping F16 gets a better response.
>
> Paul

Fedora is a volunteer organization. What everyone volunteered for is
clearly spelled out. It is hard sometimes keeping up with all the
changes that happen, and sometimes those changes get into Fedora before
they are "not ready for prime time". That is not a bug with Fedora,
that is a feature. It attempts to be the distribution to go to when you
absolutely want the latest with all its warts, and when long term
support is not an issue for you.

It is very easy to like having all the latest stuff until something
breaks or some new, radically different version of something (big or
small) comes out and disrupts the way you like to work. Every so often
something big changes, like Gnome or KDE, and people start asking the
devs to extend support for their favorite version. Attempts have been
made in the past to provide this sort of support, and they have failed
due to lack of interest in doing the actual work. I am not now, and
have never been, a Fedora dev, but my guess is that any of the ones who
might be inclined to provide longer term support would know the history
and be very wary of even considering it.

That is why you will often see people on this list recommend that
someone actually choose a disto other than Fedora for their suggested
use case. It is not because the people making the recommendation don't
like Fedora, but that they realize that there are often cases where
concerns about having quick access to the latest software are trumped by
needs for a stable, long term platform. When you make the choice to
install Fedora in an environment that needs long term stability, you are
implicitly assuming extra responsibility and extra effort on your part.

Woogie
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